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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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"Challenge accepted." Much like with the TPM "requirement" and the others, I don't expect this one to stay undefeated for long.

Why fight a piece of software with other motives hen you can choose one that is aligned with yours instead?

No software is perfect, and people might not want to "fight" with Linux either.

Besides, it's a good challenge; this site is called Hacker News, after all.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

#262

How does this work for secure environments which are supposed to be air-gapped? Does Microsoft offer a special on-premise licensing server? I cannot image they just throw up their hands for such clients and suggest an alternative OS.

Anything above Windows 11 pro can join domains.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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I haven't had Windows on a computer I own since 2009. I only use it on the work computer as it's the garbage they install and lockdown. The best thing you can do for your life is go Microsoft-Free. Don't do drugs, don't do MICROS~1.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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The only issue with that is when you switch to Linux, alternatives to Azure is much more compelling. I would never use Azure services unless I'm on Windows.

Well, I do. I still like Outlook, and it works good enough as a web app. Same for OneNote. Azure as the development platform is crazy, of course. But I also have a friend who I respect much, and who is probably a better engineer than me, who likes Azure and completely unproductive with AWS, so _maybe_ that's a matter of taste. Just like tabs and spaces. I prefer spaces, but whatever.

> I still like Outlook, and it works good enough as a web app. Same for OneNote.

This I find baffling. Outlook and One Note are some of the worst applications known to man. Clunky interfaces and confusing messes to navigate.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

#265

Microsoft knew they were losing the client device market to iPhone and Android (after their Windows Phone flopped). So they essentially gave up on improving Windows, and decided to turn it into a thin client for Microsoft cloud services. For this model to work well, they need to force users to have a stable identification, aka Microsoft account, in order to login to the thin client. Windows is over. I moved to Apple…

> Windows is over. I moved to Apple silicon a while ago and never looked back. Even though macOS has its warts, it's not hostile to its users.

You can also move Mac OS X out of the way by running an ARM Linux VM on the Apple ARM computers.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Is there a good reason (other than licensing and Linux as an alternative) I shouldn't use Windows Server 202X as a Desktop OS?

These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. Just move to a distro like Mint or Ubuntu. It will save you money and help stop filling up Landfills. I am on a 10+ year old Laptop with Slackware, for desktop use it is just as fast as any modern Laptop with Windows, I would even say it is faster. Also you will find Libreoffice is just as good as M/S Office. Just ignore the fud. FWIW, I believe many foreign count…

> These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. Just move to a distro like Mint or Ubuntu. It will save you money and help stop filling up Landfills.

Old Intel based computers are terrible for power usage. Modern computers that are ARM based are much better for the environment.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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> These days there is no reason to use Windows at home. I have two, sadly. 1. I use my Windows PC for flight simulators. While many simulators will indeed run under proton, the hardware devices (VR, joysticks, throttles, pedals, panels, etc.) usually will not, or at best run with minimal functionality. 2. I develop cross-platform software and need a Windows PC to test that environment. A third for some people: 3. The…

To add onto 3, I do my taxes every year using either the desktop version of Turbo Tax or H&R Block. They only make Mac or Windows versions of their software. I've read online that people have attempted to use wine in order to emulate the Windows environment with no success.

https://cash.app/taxes

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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That has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic, which is forcing online authentication. You can't possibly argue that needlessly forcing online authentication makes user safe.

The topic isn't about forcing online authentication. It's about improving security from having users use a Microsoft account. The security improvement of using a Microsoft account comes from Windows Hello.

They couldn't just implement whatever biometric thing that is without making it tied to an account?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Wine and it's alternatives have greatly profited from valve going this route and as a result all software runs better. It's a gradual improvement over time and we are past the early stages. I'm still running a gaming PC on windows but that is going to end quite soon if Microsoft keeps doing these things.

Stream actually paid for contributions to Wine if I understand correctly. I too planning to use a gaming centric distro for my next gaming PC build. The horseshit they've been pushing at me on 10 has been atrocious. The lie that 10 would be the last. Injecting pages into Chrome. Windows acts more and more like literal malware.

> I too planning to use a gaming centric distro for my next gaming PC build.

I don't find that the distribution makes that much of a difference?

I just use Arch Linux, and install all the programs (gaming centric or otherwise) that I need when I need them. I guess I'm lucky, because the Steam Deck's distribution is based on Arch Linux, but I used it before it was cool.

I suspect the main differences between the distributions is what you get by default, and that can be a huge factor in terms of convenience?

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