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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by freehorse »

blindriver wrote: post #194
freehorse wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part OP is scared of and points to is some border guard revoking your visa, which probably implies you losing your job and having to leave the country you live in. This is scary because it is a very big, bad outcome to be totally in the authority of a random border guard to decide. Waking out by guards and dogs barking on a train is scary in its own right the moment it happens, but we are talking about totally di…

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I did not say it cannot be revoked or it does not happen anywhere else, I said it is scary for completely different reasons than waking up in a train to a border guard checking your passport. Moreover, both can in principle happen anywhere, but the extent and context of them actually happening also matters.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by awnird »

otikik wrote: post #212
sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

> Keep your god out of work! That is very easy to type from the comfort of your home on your mobile phone. After several days of deprivations and hardships, including sleeping in a fully-lighted cold cell without even a blanket, you will get any help and support that you can get.

Proselytizing isn't help. A mentally ill woman shrieking about a wizard who lives in the sky isn't support.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by helaoban »

Tostino wrote: post #224
helaoban wrote: post #152

I'm sorry, but the article seems to obscure a key fact, which is that she travelled to the US AFTER her initial visa was revoked. It seems dumb to travel to a country that has explicitly revoked your visa without being granted a new one! Nobody stopped her from getting on a plane because nobody checks if Canadians have a visa or not since they don't need one for short visits or stays. In this case her visa was revoke…

I'm sorry, what? You think that stretches credulity? Oh man you must be lucky to not live around these types of people. I remember the first time I was told I was going to burn in hell for eternity. At my first job at 16 by some coworkers in their 20s and 30s because I wasn't participating in their constant religion talk so it made it clear I wasn't part of "the group".

Yes, I think it's a generally rare occurrence to be confronted this way about one's belief in God in the US, having lived here most of my life. Perhaps the circumstances warrant it, but I think the statement that the nurse had "never seen a Canadian there before" and that her plight elicited that statement from the nurse is farfetched, seeing as the nurse would have seen much much worse from other detainees.

The story is pretty incredible on its face, so I don't see why some skepticism on the way it's being reported isn't justified, especially in the face of reflexive hysteria over a descent into fascism we're supposedly facing.

Again, if true, it is disgusting, and I'm negatively disposed towards ICE and the CPB in general. But I'd like to know whether this is a case of a really odd situation paired with bad judgement and/or bad advice, or something much worse.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by diggan »

mgh2 wrote: post #240

Can more information be provided to make sure this is a true story or a political campaign ad? Is this why it is flagged?

> Can more information be provided to make sure this is a true story

Here you have 124 sources (and counting), from all sides of the political spectrum: https://ground.news/article/canadian-woman-says-she-was-wrap...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by pm3003 »

Karsteski wrote: post #114

Wow this sort of scenario is my nightmare. I'm an immigrant in Canada and even though I've been able to go to the US for years, I really have no interest in going, partially due to fear of something like this happening to me. I could easily drive to the US in less than two hours, but no thanks.

As a young man I travelled a lot (US only twice, Canada once) in democracies and authoritarian regimes and quickly took the habit of always having some sort of paper on me (passport, copy of the visa and passport, city/tax registration...) depending on the place.

I was controlled countless times, I thought at the time I didn't stand out much but I probably did. I was always unlikely to be detained, but vehicle / luggage searches, questions etc can be a huge waste of time so better show some paperwork that will cut the questioning short and not risk missing your bus/flight/train/meeting etc. It sometimes even helped to get into nightclubs...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by fzeroracer »

rayiner wrote: post #165
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

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Because this has historically worked so well with the War On Drugs and the sheer amount of people America puts into prison, yeah? Weird how no matter how hard we ratchet up draconian enforcement measures it doesn't seem to work.

And in this scenario, we're chasing away tourists, foreign talent and more. But hey, at least those sweet private prisons get their kickback from the layers of corruption.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by themaninthedark »

ta1243 wrote: post #127
Mashimo wrote: post #105

What is the benefit of leaving the lights on 24/7? You weaken the inmate, but how does the prison make more profit from that?

It's punishment, which leads to the average american cheering and saying "yes, more!", meaning more support to the system.

If they turn off or down the light and someone injures another or gets seriously sick then there is a lawsuit.

Layers claim the guards didn't notice because the low light.

Jury finds that is a factor and awards.

Now it is policy in all detention centers to keep light on.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by swat535 »

drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

New America? I beg to differ.

The United States has always been hostile to outsiders—what’s different now is that they’re not even trying to hide it.

As a naturalized Canadian, crossing the U.S. border has always been a frustrating ordeal. Despite holding a valid Canadian passport, I’m routinely subjected to an extra hour of “security” questioning. Maybe I’m just unlucky. Or maybe it’s because I was born in an "undesirable" Middle Eastern country and have brown skin. One time I was detained for 5 hours and were questioned about "Islam" (ironically, I'm a Christian so I couldn't answer their questions).

My belongings are always searched, and I’m treated as less than human by CBP. I suspect that if you’re white, crossing from EU or elsewhere, you were used to an easier time until now.

The gloves are off.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by [deleted] »

diggan wrote: post #244
Balgair wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, at this point, do I just flag everything on the front page too? Is that the only recourse I have as a user in good faith? What other method do I have to show my displeasure with this subset of the community?

> do I just flag everything on the front page too? Well, if it's all spam/off-topic, I guess flag it all. But unlikely it's all spam, this story certainly isn't, so not sure how it got flagged. Feels extremely relevant to various people who go to conferences, events and even just want to vacation. > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregiou…

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