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> but i normally assume protestors get permits, Good luck obtaining a permit for a Gaza protest from people in Israel's payroll.

In most democracies there are rules about being fair in terms of issuing permits and a court system where you can sue if they aren't fair in issuing permits.

> In most democracies there are rules about being fair in terms of issuing permits and a court system where you can sue if they aren't fair in issuing permits.

But this does not guarantee that you will get a permit.

Re: Dataminr tracked Gaza-related protests

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“Look what you made me do” is what you’re saying, but Israel could stop attacking Gaza today and not suffer a single material attack from Gaza for a long time. Way, way more Palestinians have died since October than Jews. Israel has no need to keep on its current course. It has made its point and is now making a completely different point—that it is a cruel nation incapable of self restraint. Nobody can force you to…

> “Look what you made me do” is what you’re saying, but Israel could stop attacking Gaza today and not suffer a single material attack from Gaza for a long time. No, "Look at what you made the Arabs do" is what Westerners say to Jews to excuse kidnapping and murdering babies and elderly. Nobody here says that. Gaza could have stopped attacking Israel any time between 2005 and October 6, 2023 and not suffered a single…

When there’s hostage situation, nations normally don’t skip straight to genocide. There should be an escalatory response. Genocide is way, way out there and most people wouldn’t advocate genocide even if it was their own family who was captured. The fact that you don’t even realize you’ve skipped past all reasonable responses and settled on the most extreme, insane response, is why I’m asking you to self reflect.

Obviously, it was horrible for the hostages. I feel bad for them and I’m glad that many have been released.

But Israel’s response shows how insecure they are, how immature and dangerous they are.

Let’s be honest. All you have to do is admit Israel is committing genocide and is wrong to do so and start advocating for more peaceful measures, and by doing so you’ll discount the neonazis. I’m being really blunt here. Because right now your position is so extreme, so unwilling to truly change, that all your doing is making people who hate Jews look correct. Is that what you want?

In light of all that, please self reflect. I’m being your friend, I apologize for how painful this conversation is for you, but you have got to learn because you’re right, the stakes really are high, you are just playing by the wrong rules.

Re: Dataminr tracked Gaza-related protests

#263

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> “Look what you made me do” is what you’re saying, but Israel could stop attacking Gaza today and not suffer a single material attack from Gaza for a long time. No, "Look at what you made the Arabs do" is what Westerners say to Jews to excuse kidnapping and murdering babies and elderly. Nobody here says that. Gaza could have stopped attacking Israel any time between 2005 and October 6, 2023 and not suffered a single…

When there’s hostage situation, nations normally don’t skip straight to genocide. There should be an escalatory response. Genocide is way, way out there and most people wouldn’t advocate genocide even if it was their own family who was captured. The fact that you don’t even realize you’ve skipped past all reasonable responses and settled on the most extreme, insane response, is why I’m asking you to self reflect. Obv…

"Let's be honest"

You just want him to concede your point so you feel better. You are not being his friend. Israel is under no definition committing genocide. Please self-reflect and admit this to yourself. Alas your position is too extreme and unwilling to change.

You have terribly disingenuous rhetoric.

Re: Dataminr tracked Gaza-related protests

#264

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When there’s hostage situation, nations normally don’t skip straight to genocide. There should be an escalatory response. Genocide is way, way out there and most people wouldn’t advocate genocide even if it was their own family who was captured. The fact that you don’t even realize you’ve skipped past all reasonable responses and settled on the most extreme, insane response, is why I’m asking you to self reflect. Obv…

"Let's be honest" You just want him to concede your point so you feel better. You are not being his friend. Israel is under no definition committing genocide. Please self-reflect and admit this to yourself. Alas your position is too extreme and unwilling to change. You have terribly disingenuous rhetoric.

It would be disingenuous if it weren’t for the fact that tens of thousands of innocent bystanders that Israel deemed subhuman are dead. That bloody smoking gun seems to be escaping you both.

Even if you don’t think Israel’s neighbors deserve life, you have to recognize that the entirety of western civilization and the Islamic world both see what Israel is doing as reprehensible.

Now I’m not asking you to say they’re right because they’re the vast majority (that would be subjective), what I’m asking you to agree with is that Israel needs to stop making everyone hate them, because it will be worse for Israel if everyone hates them.

That is an objective fact I hope we can agree on, regardless of the value you place on human life.

Re: Dataminr tracked Gaza-related protests

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The statement was about petty crimes. Things like downloading a song without paying. If you think people of certain ethnic, racial, political, or religious demographics are more likely to download a song without permissions, I'd like to know what demographics you think are the most likely and least likely to do it. Because I don't know of a single person in my life who has a computer and hasn't done it.

> Things like downloading a song without paying. That is not a crime. Uploading/distributing/broadcasting a song without copyright permission to do so, might conditionally be a crime, if that usage does not fall within "Fair Use" such as for education, journalism or commentary. Let's stop ceding more power and control to the copyright cartel, and be careful not to repeat their propaganda that misleads people into thi…

> That is not a crime.

Depends on your jurisdiction.

Because in my jurisdiction, you're wrong. :)

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