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Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by Kinrany »

frugalmail wrote: post #112
themcaffee wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That certainly is just a Sewer TV inspection van! I have a hand in writing some of the software that is run on these and processes the videos that come out of them. They all have rack mounted PCs and a monitor with a joystick to control the crawler that goes in the pipe.

I'm really curious then. Why's the visible person holding the headphones tighter against his ear? What kind of sounds need to be processed by a human for sewer inspection? To their benefit, if it was sus, they would have kept the door shut.

Holding the headphones tighter is never suspicious

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by Kinrany »

tptacek wrote: post #90
ryanisnan wrote: post #88

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I mean, if a sufficiently capable entity is interested in snooping on an individual like this, mimicking a sewer tv inspection van is a trivial endeavour. You don’t know at all what that van was doing.

Yes we do. It was a sewer inspection van. If it was the NSA, their van wouldn't look so goofy that people took one look at the photo and assumed it had to be an NSA van, which is what happened here. This is a bad movie plot trope: the bad guys can't simultaneously be omniscient and so dumb they're trivially outed like this, just like the real supervillain isn't going to monologue while you free yourself from the chai…

Reminds me of the joke where students prove by induction that the teacher is not actually planning a surprise test, and are surprised when there's a test the next day

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by genewitch »

somenameforme wrote: post #200
zmgsabst wrote: post #155

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People suspected there was funny business going on since the Patriot Act was passed in 2001. By 2003 gangs were aware government spied on phones at scale. NSA regularly came up in my high school tech class in 2004, in connection with War on Terror. By 2005, the program was confirmed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(... Lots of people knew that mass surveillance was likely with the advent o…

Lots of people know lots of things. The problem is those things aren't always true. And until there is a defacto public acknowledgement of something many people defer to the 'official position.' Here's a present time one for you - all US based cloud providers, including Apple, are providing full (and probably indirect) real time access to everything stored on those servers to various organizations including, but not…

"My dad owned a 1965 softtop stingray, it was awesome!"

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by sim7c00 »

tptacek wrote: post #90
ryanisnan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, if a sufficiently capable entity is interested in snooping on an individual like this, mimicking a sewer tv inspection van is a trivial endeavour. You don’t know at all what that van was doing.

Yes we do. It was a sewer inspection van. If it was the NSA, their van wouldn't look so goofy that people took one look at the photo and assumed it had to be an NSA van, which is what happened here. This is a bad movie plot trope: the bad guys can't simultaneously be omniscient and so dumb they're trivially outed like this, just like the real supervillain isn't going to monologue while you free yourself from the chai…

haha well dont assume spies are some godmode infallable people. spies also are humans and can have varying degrees of freedom to express their stupidity in their work..

in our country some spies got caught drivin around with wifi pineapple in plain sight circling govt and ngo sites.

in my mind thats next level dumb stuff, but maybe they arent really hackers and think its not conspicuous, or even the opposite, they know exactly what it is but think 'oh normal people wont stop to think about this, they dont recognise such equipment'.

if you werent there, didnt know the guys in the van etc. etc. - its all just guesswork.

even public record of a sewer inspection right then and there at that time (which i kinda doubt exists) wouldnt confirm or deny what that van was really doing there.

that being said, i would _assume_ its a sewer inspection van. but thats an assumption, not a known fact.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by sim7c00 »

waste_monk wrote: post #175
themcaffee wrote: post #79

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That certainly is just a Sewer TV inspection van! I have a hand in writing some of the software that is run on these and processes the videos that come out of them. They all have rack mounted PCs and a monitor with a joystick to control the crawler that goes in the pipe.

Do you work for the National Sewerage Agency? :D

it would be too funny if that was a re sewage company. black vans with small print n.s.a. on it haha xD

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by genewitch »

WWLink wrote: post #206
genewitch wrote: post #82

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how far is that sewer line run, 6 miles? they usually just bore it out and put a PVC sleeve inside. This is done with the cast iron sewer lines, because if they're not properly taken care of, they will rust into nothing and then you just have a suggestion of a hole through the dirt to the sewer line. my lines are 4" PVC, if we somehow clog those, someone call me an ambulance.

The old shitty clay lines are what you find in most rentals in SoCal. Then one day none of your toilets flushes and the landlord says you flush too many wipes down the toilet. You argue and they make you pay for a plumber who's like "yea they all do that DONT USE WIPES!!!!!One!!!" And then finally after getting to know every other plumber in town, one offers to run a camera for free and shows you that the main line i…

eh, clay, cast iron. I had to dig a few trenches of greasy earth in socal.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by sim7c00 »

dkga wrote: post #246
kube-system wrote: post #224

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It’s not uncommon for site firewalls to be configured this way for business that do not do work internationally.

Yes, but calling it „security“ is a bit of a stretch…

it is security... block most of the world is also block most attacks to your infra...

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by sim7c00 »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #102

Tom Drake, John Kiriakou, Ed Snowden, Mark Klein. These are people that have shown that parts of the intelligence community are guilty of crimes against humanity and the American people. Yet every time more evidence comes out, people are so quick to dismiss it as "wacko conspiracy theories".

they have done heroes jobs, but unfortunely the effect was that now its all become normal. ppl dont give a toss..

if you mention beam splitters on fiber, tap rooms at telcos, the 'black boxes' at ISPs.. people just pretend thats normal. they think most othe ppl are pedophiles, rapists and murderes somehow and so think its fine for everything to be tapped and logged. crazy world.

these folks give up their remaining lives for the good of others, and the others just spit on it.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Post by shadowgovt »

timewizard wrote: post #233
shadowgovt wrote: post #223

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They aren't. Fewer than 3/4 of eligible voters voted in 2020. In general, somewhere around 10% to a third of eligible voters actually vote in primaries, which are the elections that actually have the most impact on office holding. Nobody needs to fake election results when Americans just don't show up to vote. It's a disquietingly under-informed and apathetic electorate.

> Fewer than 3/4 of eligible voters voted in 2020. This is not completely true[0]. I'd also give the advice that you shouldn't take a "nationwide" average to mean much of anything. The wikipedia article shows wide variation across the states which is true for almost any statistic you can think of. > actually vote in primaries Bernie voters might give you a hint as to why. I guess this is the problem Mayor Pete's "sha…

> who should bear the responsibility

Unfortunately, in a representative democracy, the people. It's right there in the Constitution, first three words.

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