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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by concerndc1tizen »

roenxi wrote: post #67
croisillon wrote: post #13

haha i had to laugh at the language selectors: {flag:uk} English (traditional) {flag:us} English (simplified)

I also spot "That’s the website, you can’t scroll further." in large, helpful letters. These people seem to have a pretty solid sense of humour. Mild enough it is difficult to take offence to, playful enough to add character. Hope they do well; I dislike closed source chat programs.

I feel like that was Discord's style also, being playful, fun, childish. Maybe they're just imitating that appeal?

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by dingnuts »

internetter wrote: post #91
_mitterpach wrote: post #31

Note that there have been rumours about Discord preparing to go public, I reckon this might be made in preparation for it. I think it is a wise move to offer an alternative. The design is very similar to Discord, could this possibly even go to a copyright breach or is the bar for that set too high?

> I reckon this might be made in preparation for it Revolt has been in development for many years > could this possibly even go to a copyright breach Ianl but I’d imagine this would require discord to prove they own the “multiple groups, with subchannels” paradigm, which would be difficult when slack exists

even then it would be a potential patent infringement, not copyright.

but there's prior art for literally every feature Discord has so as long as they aren't copy-pasting Discord's source code I think they're just fine

I'm not a lawyer either but I am an SWE and I've had to read and been expected to understand so many goddamned licenses that at this point I feel like I'm expected to be one just to be able to navigate this field

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by stevetron »

Discord seems to be going the way of Skype: deprecating their support for Windows 7, in favor of a newer OS offering from Microsoft which harvests data in the background under the feeble guise of telemetry. Granted there is telelmetry in Windows 7, but you can disable it in Windows 7 and not worry obout it being over-ridden the next day, or even the same day, with some forced update.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by throwaway9386 »

concerndc1tizen wrote: post #112

What do people find upsetting about Discord? It's free, there's no ads, it's reliable, it has many established communities, it's cross-platform and even works in the browser, supports voice chat and screen sharing. What more could you ask for? Or, are you asking for too much? What I mean is: What innovative functionality is missing to such a degree, that if it was introduces, would make people abandon Discord?

They use your messages for AI training, even if you disable the AI summaries "feature". I kept seeing events related to AI summaries on a custom client, even with them turned off in the only server I was in.

They'll hold your account hostage until you give them a phone number if you happen to trigger their "anti-spam" detection. And sending a message with a number below 13 might be all it takes for Discord to withhold your account for age verification as well.

They basically track every click, every action you take on their client. You can see that if you request a data package.

Abuse is rampant. There's no way to report servers, channels, or individual users. Things that were all possible in the past, through the Support form, until they made in-app reporting the only option, which relies on reporting individual messages and has a very low rate limit.

> What more could you ask for? Or, are you asking for too much?

Let's see...blocking that actually prevents you from seeing messages from the person you blocked. A native client. Better reporting tools. Better message deletion tools - you still can't delete every message along with your account. The ability to opt out of having messages fed into AI. None of these are unfeasible.

> What I mean is: What innovative functionality is missing to such a degree, that if it was introduces, would make people abandon Discord?

The network effect is the reason why technologically inferior solutions like Discord are still thriving.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by doubled112 »

stevetron wrote: post #264

Discord seems to be going the way of Skype: deprecating their support for Windows 7, in favor of a newer OS offering from Microsoft which harvests data in the background under the feeble guise of telemetry. Granted there is telelmetry in Windows 7, but you can disable it in Windows 7 and not worry obout it being over-ridden the next day, or even the same day, with some forced update.

I'm not sure what to take from this.

Are you worried there is some sort of anti-Windows 7 conspiracy, where software vendors stop supporting a 15 year old years out of support OS so that an unrelated software vendor receives more data?

Or is it simply more likely that nobody wants to test their software on a 15 year old OS? When XP came out that would have been Windows 95, and the same thing happened.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by squigz »

stevetron wrote: post #264

Discord seems to be going the way of Skype: deprecating their support for Windows 7, in favor of a newer OS offering from Microsoft which harvests data in the background under the feeble guise of telemetry. Granted there is telelmetry in Windows 7, but you can disable it in Windows 7 and not worry obout it being over-ridden the next day, or even the same day, with some forced update.

Windows 7 is a 15 year old OS that's been out of support for 5 years. It is utterly ridiculous to paint Discord as unreasonable for not supporting it?

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by johnisgood »

rychco wrote: post #243
_mitterpach wrote: post #31

Note that there have been rumours about Discord preparing to go public, I reckon this might be made in preparation for it. I think it is a wise move to offer an alternative. The design is very similar to Discord, could this possibly even go to a copyright breach or is the bar for that set too high?

> Note that there have been rumours about Discord preparing to go public That’s disappointing, but even now it’s hard to imagine they’re particularly profitable. The core functionality of Discord is entirely free and I doubt that Nitro / other paid features earn that much.

I would like to know this, too. What makes it profitable, then, considering it has little to no ads?

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ryandrake »

zacwest wrote: post #258
guappa wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proprietary services are interoperable in the beginning and then stop. Both facebook and google supported XMPP but that's no longer the case. Slack supported XMPP and IRC, but that's no longer the case. It's completely pointless to expect proprietary stuff to be interoperable. It requires constant reverse engineering and remember that they have money to throw away to hire developers to make breaking changes to the pr…

Facebook never federated so their implementation was just an API they couldn't control to them: > Facebook Messages are evolving to allow people to share rich content beyond text: photos, videos, audio and even stickers. We want to ensure the best possible send and receive experience where all these rich forms of content are reliably and consistently available on every platform. XMPP doesn't support all these (and fu…

> XMPP doesn't support all these (and future) content types, and it's difficult to ensure an XMPP client is rendering them appropriately. As such we've decided to sunset the XMPP Chat API.

This is such a lame excuse, and reveals how much they're control freaks. One of the main points of an open, federated protocol is that people can choose clients that behave the way they want and render things the way they want. "Oooohhh, we can't guarantee with an iron fist that our stupid 'stickers' render correctly on all clients, therefore we can't deal with it!"

This same mentality infests the web, and is why companies insist on slathering JavaScript into everything to force browsers to render their pages exactly as designed, rather than just letting the user agent serve the user's needs.

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