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Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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I have an EV (Kia Niro EV 2024). I don't want ever to go back to gas. Reasons: * the driving experience is just much, much better: punch & acceleration, stability, quietness, etc. * if you charge at home it is a lot cheaper than gas * it is so easy to "fuel": you plug it in when you arrive home and unplug the next morning Edit: also, after I installed solar cells at home, I drive almost for free!

Hertz forced me to take a Kia Niro EV as my rental. "We have no other vehicles left, it is a higher class vehicle than the compact you reserved". Like hell it was! Never again! I had plans that involved driving 8 hours each way. Electrify America chargers were all broken. Luckily, CircleK chargers "worked", slowly. An hour and 30 min to go from 10% to 90%. Had to charge twice each way. Time I will never get back. Aft…

> Hertz forced me to take a Kia Niro EV as my rental.

> I had plans that involved driving 8 hours each way.

That's a Hertz problem not an EV problem. The car was patently unsuited to your particular needs on that one trip. Daily commuting doesn't involve 16-hour round trips.

You can either use that non-representative experience to reinforce your pre-existing anti-EV ideology. Or reflect on your EV hate rationally.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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They can mandate separate metering for the charging circuit and tax it to make u p for the lost gasoline taxes.

those gasoline taxes currently pay for roads. and EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight.

> EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight

Only if you trade in a gasoline SUV for an electric SUV. A hatchback EV weighs about as much as a compact SUV, and is cheaper to buy and operate.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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> Electric self-driving taxis are going to be big in the medium-term. This claim has been made for years now and a number of big companies like Google, Uber and Tesla have tried to jump into this market, but does this hold up? I vaguely recall a self driving taxi service being active in some areas, but how are they doing? Anyway, static routes and stations work fine for big parts of e.g. the Netherlands, but you need…

In my regional UK city, most of my trips look something like: X minutes by car/taxi (although driving you need to park, and taxi you need to wait), 1.5-2X to cycle (direct but need to contend with hills, rain and much increased risk), and 2-4X to use public transport (total time, door-to-door, need to rush to get the thing and wait outdoors for 5-10 minutes) (2X being the ideal case of home to centre, 4X for point-to…

Sounds like cars should be slowed down in your city, and public transport should be expanded

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Moderators should fix the title and add "in 2018" to the end, as it's on the chart itself. Omitting "in 2018" part changes message completely and is misleading.

How is it misleading? It would be impossible for someone to credibly claim something peaked in 2024, for example. So it must be some time in the past (and 2018 is not very long ago).

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Nope. Is as horrible as it gets. They silently swing by the pedestrians with over 20mph, many drive drunk or don't know/avoid traffic rules and there is 0 enforcement. And if you get hit by them good luck getting compensated for your hospital bills.

Scooters should ride on the road. There is huge backlash in the Netherlands on the growing amount of scooters and especially fat bikes [1] riding on the bicycle paths, often ignoring speed limits and increasing risks by 10x. The conversation really should be centered on “normal” e-bikes with light pedal assist, but these monsters are imported at extremely cheap prices and becomes first choice for teenagers and anyone…

They are electric motorcycles and without registration, insurance, helmets, etc. they are breaking all kinds of laws. But for some reason the police here in the UK don't give a shit.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#266

The "electric" share here includes plug-in hybrids which, if we're nitpicking, have an internal combustion engine. Doesn't affect the overall conclusion as even if they were all hybrids the number of cars with internal combustion would still be lower. I'm very, very bullish on EVs, they're going to take over the world rapidly but this graph isn't great support as you can't see the exponential rise very well and it's…

> I'm very, very bullish on EVs, they're going to take over the world rapidly but this graph isn't great support as you can't see the exponential rise very well and it's swamped by other data inluences. One thing people don't realize is that EVs are going to be SO MASSIVELY CHEAPER than ICE cars that we will see massive changes in behaviour and socioeconomic dynamics in society. I think we will see a day where a new…

EVs are going to be SO MASSIVELY CHEAPER than ICE cars

Why?

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

#267
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Not at all. Transport is great for families. Get your groceries delivered. Cargo bikes exist as well.

Delivered groceries are more expensive, not everyone can afford the prices plus the expected tip. A beater auto is affordable for most families. People with dough won’t mind the extra expense, that’s usually a given.

I really don’t think you can argue that buying a car for groceries is cheaper than getting them delivered every once in a while. Even just in terms of gas and taxes it’s already more expensive.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Yup, order of magnitude more electric micromobility vehicles than electric cars: https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-280-million-electric-...

The problem with electric cars is charging infrastructure in cites. An electric bike or scooter can be brought indoors to charge.

Always thought that the parking meters should be changed out for chargers that act as parking meters too. City would get more money and the infrastructure would be there to help with downtown charging. Duel use meters would still allow ICE to use the them too.

As EVs become more popular, big name stores should start adding a few chargers to their parking lots.

Apartment complexes could add them to entice maximum capacity too.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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The Hyundai Ioniq 6 has a range of over 500 km, and typical 20-80% charging times are around 20 minutes. Where in Europe can you drive 350 km and not pass a single charger?

Where did I say there are no chargers? Charging on long trips increases the time of the journey by a lot. And many EU drivers don't have money for a new Ioniq 6.

It increases it by 30 min every 3 hours, rounding down. My family used to do 7 hours once or twice a year, roughly 500km, so an EV would have added an additional hour. But we also typically stopped for roughly 30 min for lunch, so it would have only added 30 min to our half-country journey. Add an extra 30 min to the journey if we had a cheap EV with sub 160 km range, or an extra 15m to each stop for a top-up for comfort. This of course depends on charging infrastructure, but I'm betting it's developed enough for most trips at this point.

This was pretty rare for us, though we had family that did 12 hours trips in 2 segments with the same frequency. They already stopped for lunch, so they could in theory have gotten away with only charging then, not adding any time to their trip, but more reasonably it would add an extra 30 min to each leg.

Interested to know how often this stuff happens in the EU.

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