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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If France had hold out until 1943, with the Wehrmacht only making a few hundred yards progress per day, it would have been a massive success, don't you agree? Without western help, Ukraine would have had no chance in hell to survive that long. It's the same logic the US applied to lend-lease, didn't they? There was a good chance of the USSR collapsing until 1943, and you still helped them. Delaying an invading attack…

> when Russia attacks the Baltics in a few years I wonder what media do you consume to get this absolutely ridiculous idea? baltic states have no beef with Russia (except petty provocations which Russia seem to dismiss), Putin never ever said he will do anything like that and actively emphasised he won't. Where the idea of Russia attacking Baltic states or any other european nation to that matter, have stemmed from (…

E.g. France24[1], they have all sources linked. Then there are individual governments, like e.g. the Latvians[2], warning that Russia is preparing for a confrontation with NATO. Or the German DoD[3]. Yes, no politician is explictily saying "Russia will invade country Y in X years", but "Russia prepares all resources they need to invade, and NATO confrontation is not unlikely" is good enough for me, at least as long as Russian state TV shows nukes exploding over Western Europe or battlegroups invading the Baltics.

The Baltics have no beef with Russia, but Russia with the Baltic states[4], according to e.g. Medwedjew, who thinks they literally belong to Russia. Or Россия 1[5].

[1] https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250219-baltic-region-pr... [2] https://www.sab.gov.lv/en/news/russia-is-purposefully-develo... [3] https://www-bundestag-de.translate.goog/dokumente/textarchiv... [4] https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/17/russias-dmitry-medvedev-... [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSJ6py0uVQ4, from 1:30 onwards

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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It seems like Ukraine is insisting on a “security guarantee.” Can someone explain how the U.S. providing a security guarantee wouldn’t increase the risk of american boots on the ground in Ukraine?

He’s insisting on something that the U.S. already agreed to… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

From my reading, that says we agreed not to invade Ukraine, not that we agreed to put american boots on the ground to defend Ukraine.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Ukraine is just the beginning. The peace deal being negotiated includes NATO withdrawing to 1990 borders.

"Withdrawing" to 1990 borders? You mean expelling the states that joined after 1990? I'm not sure that would go over well with the Baltics, Romania, Sweden and Finland. Withdrawal from NATO is voluntary and cannot be compelled.

Yes, the Baltic states in particular were fanatical (um, "single-minded") about getting NATO security guarantees. Wild horses couldn't drag them away.

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Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

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Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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It seems like Ukraine is insisting on a “security guarantee.” Can someone explain how the U.S. providing a security guarantee wouldn’t increase the risk of american boots on the ground in Ukraine?

Of course it increases the risk - it's the whole point of the ask.

Why is nobody being open about that? Because I suspect the appetite for that is low. Germany is about closer to Russia than we are—how many Germans are willing to go die in Ukraine?

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I know very well it's a drop in the ocean, you can donate to ukraine here https://u24.gov.ua/ You can decide how to allocate your donation, defense, demining, humanitarian aid (...)

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Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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It seems like Ukraine is insisting on a “security guarantee.” Can someone explain how the U.S. providing a security guarantee wouldn’t increase the risk of american boots on the ground in Ukraine?

They just want the US to keep their word on promises already made. Is that so unreasonable? They gave up their nukes for it.
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