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Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by saratogacx »

markus_zhang wrote: post #144
markus_zhang wrote: post #102

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Yeah that was already done. But it doesn't help too much. They kinda still fade in and out sometimes -- but I can't get a proof right now. In addition, they are still too narrow.

OK at least VSCode still does this -> - Turned on "Always show Scrollbar" in MacOS setting - Turned on "visible" in VSCode for vertical scrollbars Check the explorer window -> scrollbar doesn't show up unless your mouse somehow touches the area. But this is probably a VSCode thing though.

That isn't a VSCode thing. I have "always how scroll bars" enabled at the OS level and across many apps it only shows when the mouse is over the scrollable area. You know, because the accessibility setting is really just a poorly worded suggestion now.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by bitsailor »

alberth wrote: post #54
john_alan wrote: post #44

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Using macOS since Tiger as daily driven. Never been worse. Needs a “Snow Leopard” year.

> Never been worse. How so? Would you mind giving examples. Note: I'm not disagreeing. Just curious what software quality issues you're having exactly.

Not who you responded to but I've been looking now after reading this discussion and here are some things I've come up with in the last minute or so.

- Why when I drag the Safari window up to go full screen with the tiling manager does it leave a large gap around the window? When I double click the top bar it aligns the top and bottom with the edges but still leaves a gap on the sides.

- Why does the settings dialog have so much lag? It takes a couple of seconds to launch and then when navigating around there is a roughly one second lag between panels.

- Why can't I uninstall default Mac apps that I have never opened?

- If I open up task view using F3, why is there no option to exit the window or program?

- If I have a Safari window open in a smaller window and double click the task bar, why does it maximize the way it does? Leaving a large section open.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by dsego »

flohofwoe wrote: post #143
drdo wrote: post #97

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What is this "Custom Color"? I clicked the "+" icon to open the color picker and did as described and I cannot reproduce this. Sequoia 15.3.1 (24D70)

Interesting, yeah. It doesn't happen when adding a new color to the "Colours" row at the bottom even though this happens with the same color selection UI widget. I see this Custom Colour thingie at the top-right corner of the Wallpaper section, above a "Show on all Spaces" checkbox and left of a fairly big representation of the current desktop background. After a bit of tinkering: this Custom Colour element is replac…

Lol, I can reproduce it now, it's hilarious. Thanks for pointing it out.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by MichaelZuo »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #254
madeofpalk wrote: post #105

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The entire settings app rewrite is the canary of how Apple's software development process is broken, especially for the mac.

They rewrote many of their tools in SwiftUI. So far, I am not willing to ship anything in SwiftUI. I don't think it's up to the task.

And it's still missing certain things Cocoa had well before 2015...

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by dsego »

drdo wrote: post #97
flohofwoe wrote: post #68

Here's my personal canary in the coal mine that something must be fundamentally broken in Apple's software development process: - on a recent macOS version, right click on the desktop, select 'change wallpaper' => the new settings panel opens - click on 'Custom Color' - now hold and drag around the 'color cursor' in the color selection circle for a few seconds - stop dragging and notice how the color cursor continues…

What is this "Custom Color"? I clicked the "+" icon to open the color picker and did as described and I cannot reproduce this. Sequoia 15.3.1 (24D70)

You need to close and reopen the setting after adding a color. Then in the top right there will be a custom color button.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by threeseed »

fnordlord wrote: post #149
flohofwoe wrote: post #68

Here's my personal canary in the coal mine that something must be fundamentally broken in Apple's software development process: - on a recent macOS version, right click on the desktop, select 'change wallpaper' => the new settings panel opens - click on 'Custom Color' - now hold and drag around the 'color cursor' in the color selection circle for a few seconds - stop dragging and notice how the color cursor continues…

The Feedback Assistant issue you mentioned is probably one of the worst aspects of their software ecosystem. I haven't had a response on a single ticket that I've filed in there. It feels like an abandoned program, which is terrible UX considering its purpose.

Feedback Assistant is a UI for Radar.

You will never get a response to tickets unless it is affecting a lot of people and they need more information e.g. crash reports.

They are all read/triaged though.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by kridsdale1 »

BobAliceInATree wrote: post #82
flohofwoe wrote: post #68

Here's my personal canary in the coal mine that something must be fundamentally broken in Apple's software development process: - on a recent macOS version, right click on the desktop, select 'change wallpaper' => the new settings panel opens - click on 'Custom Color' - now hold and drag around the 'color cursor' in the color selection circle for a few seconds - stop dragging and notice how the color cursor continues…

On the most recent episode of ATP podcast, an anonymous person wrote in to say that when they worked at Apple until ~2013, there was effectively no QA team on macOS. Granted that was over a decade ago, and "no QA team" doesn't mean no testing, but given the numerous bugs in macOS today, and that they almost never get fixed, I'm not surprised. (FWIW, I do not experience this bug you mentioned)

I was in a QA role on MacOS in 2010-2013. There isn’t a QA team, rather each group of developers and EM had a QA embedded with them.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by roody15 »

When you upgrade MacOS 15.3.0 apple automatically enables Apple intelligence and then turns on Apple intelligence reporting (15 min intervals) by default.

You are not prompted or asked to enable.

After disabling Apple Intelligence when you do the next mini update to 15.3.1 Apple intelligence is enabled. Again no prompt and your previous choice to disable is ignored.

This IMO is a bad sign for Apple software quality. Looks like they are moving to more dark user methods seen in Windows 11.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by kridsdale1 »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #255
karmakaze wrote: post #208

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My indicator for if Apple is for the customer vs for Apple is how macOS 'negotiates' YPbPr instead of RGB for non-Apple branded monitors (some LG monitors also get a pass) which results in worse color quality. I believe this to be carefully engineered to be a plausible bug rather than a real one. BTW I have found a workaround using BetterDisplay and an EDID override (to more closely match what the monitor is actually…

Seconding this. Feels actively anti-user even if this is just a bunch of heuristics that end up choosing the wrong thing. Honestly, why is this not a dropdown? Related bug: macOS defaults to variable refresh rate when available instead of remembering my choice of 144hz. This is confounded by my hub (Caldigit TS3 Plus), which has trouble with variable refresh rates that result in a black screen. The cherry on top: eit…

I bought a custom HMDI dongle that forced 4k RGB HDR for my OLED LG from M1 Mac.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by [deleted] »

flohofwoe wrote: post #68

Here's my personal canary in the coal mine that something must be fundamentally broken in Apple's software development process: - on a recent macOS version, right click on the desktop, select 'change wallpaper' => the new settings panel opens - click on 'Custom Color' - now hold and drag around the 'color cursor' in the color selection circle for a few seconds - stop dragging and notice how the color cursor continues…

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