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The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #159
afavour wrote: post #78

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While I agree about Bernie Sanders I really can't see the justification in describing Harris's candidacy as a "polarized extreme". Sanders is clearly more extreme than her. (I don't think he's extreme at all, just that he's further to the left)

I wouldn’t call Kamala extreme per se. The extreme position is the doubling down on positions that don’t resonate with the electorate and labeling the opposition racist or traitorous instead of working to find common ground. One example of an extreme position dichotomy would be the choice between an unnecessarily porous border without transparency and mass deportation when the people would likely all agree on a stead…

> allowing professional male combat athletes to unfairly dominate female participants

Had this actually happened somewhere, or is it just a hypothetical? Like trans women assaulting cis women en masse in women's restrooms.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

nielsbot wrote: post #227
jghn wrote: post #44

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No, they did. Absolutely nothing about what's happening is a surprise. Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or so uneducated that they shouldn't be voting.

There are plenty of examples of people who wanted to vote conservative but "didn't have time to do the research" and now they're about to be caught up in the billionaire looting of the government. Low information voters, people busy with their jobs, lots of ads and propaganda.. and voila. That said, both the Dems and the GOP are there doing the bidding of lobbyists and the wealthy... if we had an actual populist part…

Voting is a responsibility. If you "don't have time to do the research", please don't vote.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by nielsbot »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #262
nielsbot wrote: post #227

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There are plenty of examples of people who wanted to vote conservative but "didn't have time to do the research" and now they're about to be caught up in the billionaire looting of the government. Low information voters, people busy with their jobs, lots of ads and propaganda.. and voila. That said, both the Dems and the GOP are there doing the bidding of lobbyists and the wealthy... if we had an actual populist part…

Voting is a responsibility. If you "don't have time to do the research", please don't vote.

i hear you but people are going to vote anyway as surely as they drink and drive. many voters vote on “vibes”.

we need an actual populist party that gives people more to vote for. As it is, both parties support the “elites” and that leads to a disillusionment with democracy and a slide towards fascism.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by nielsbot »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #202
chasing wrote: post #120

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This is true. The GOP prey on gullible low-information voters. He repeatedly denied knowledge of the Project 2025 plan that's now in action.

Project 2025 isn't even ideologically consistent because it's written by a grab bag of heritage affiliated authors.

there’s an underlying consistency. 1) authoritarianism. 2) christian nationalism 3) dismantle the government (except for military spending.)

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by nielsbot »

jghn wrote: post #44
nielsbot wrote: post #13

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FWIW a lot of people didn't vote for this even if they voted for Trump and the GOP.

No, they did. Absolutely nothing about what's happening is a surprise. Anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or so uneducated that they shouldn't be voting.

Just want to add: plenty of Dems voters also don’t get what they voted for.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

jiggawatts wrote: post #160
chasing wrote: post #121

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Have you seen some of these GOP town hall videos?

No… what are you referring to? Could you link an example?

Try searching for Town hall outrage. Here's one of the first that I saw. https://youtu.be/iGD4kcBrQjc?si=8m42qO-llaWXQpaC

We've seen a lot more corporate supplication to the admin this go around. Some are saying the moderation and media coverage is a little too sparse on criticism like we see in these town halls and protests.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by throwyouaway »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #204
btilly wrote: post #194

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Name me 5 executive orders by Trump which, combined, disrupt normal economic affairs by as much as that single one. As for the broader efforts, the New Deal required various things like reinterpreting the Commerce Clause. Look up "the switch in time which saved nine" for why the Supreme Court went along with it. Not to mention things like the internment of Japanese-Americans during WW 2. No, FDR was the closest thing…

Closest since Lincoln.

Lincoln started the war? Lincoln’s actions didn’t result in the eventual freeing of the slaves? Lincoln was unpopular in the South and so they wanted to take their ball and go home; the South started the war - the North ended it and has the graciousness not to take absolute vengeance on the remains. Lincoln was imperfect and could have done more so you think Trump would have done anything? Except make a “deal” swapping citizens for money?

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by lazide »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #253
jfengel wrote: post #62

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I can't imagine why 2026 should be any different than 2024. He's doing exactly what he promised. Those who voted for him will still be in favor, at least compared to the alternative. Voters who stayed home will still see no difference between the parties.

As a wise man once said "it's the economy stupid." If their actions tank the economy, which seems a distinct possibility, things could change drastically.

Only if they don’t find a suitable scapegoat in time. I still hear people blaming Biden.

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by sega_sai »

scarab92 wrote: post #214
alabastervlog wrote: post #14

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Many actions the administration has taken are illegal. Not sure if those related to NIH are, but if they’ve been firing people, odds are good, since they’ve been doing that wrong most of the time it seems like. Congress could change the laws, but they haven’t. Lots of this junk is simply against the law. The courts are moving relatively fast, as such things go, but it takes time. Congress is supposed to control spend…

To be clear, the article headline is deceptive clickbait. NIH budgets aren't being cut. The NIH is simply requiring that at least 85% of the grant value goes to the actual grant recipients, rather than being siphoned off by the university for administration expenses. At most universities this change has no impact, since they weren't taking more than 15% to begin with. This change mainly impacts Harvard and similar, a…

The fact that the budget is being reduced after it has been negotiated means a cut. And you obviously have no facts to back up your claim that this money was used for "adminstration expenses"

Re: The NIH is being slashed and burned, not "reformed"

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Post by afpx »

jghn wrote: post #229
scarab92 wrote: post #216

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You're being a little deceptive here, by summing votes for all candidates combined as "against". What really matters is Trump v Harris, and Trump won that both in the electoral college and in the popular vote.

The point is that the media immediate glommed on to a "popular mandate" with Trump. Yet, it was very much not true. He arguably won a popular vote. That's barely a pop;lar vote mandate.

I couldn’t get half of my liberal friends to even vote. And, it wasn’t because they didn’t like Kamala - I sensed that they were just tired of globalism.
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