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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by zamalek »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I use them as a springboard for things I am really unfamiliar with. I'm self-learning electronics at the moment, and so I can ask it things like "what's a common and widely available cooperator." You will not find that answer on a search engine, I don't care how good your Google fu is.

It's a weak jack of all trades: it knows a fair amount about the sum of human knowledge (which is objectively super-human), but can't go deep on any one thing, and still seriously lags behind humans in terms of reasoning. It's an assistant that all book smarts and no street smarts. Or maybe: it's a search engine for insanely specific things.

Rote work, as well. Things like porting an enum from one programming language to another: past the source language into a comment and start it off with one or two lines in the target language. Dozens of tabs are surely faster than manual typing, copy paste, or figuring out vim movements/macros.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #244
croes wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because he brought coders to a financial audit. Wrong tools.

I disagree. I believe engineers are generally smarter than accountants.

But are they well-versed in the things accountants specialize in? Is there a possibility that not every programmer can be a good accountant, or that accountants know things you're unaware of when you wrote that statement?

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Post by rvnx »

riku_iki wrote: post #73
Rover222 wrote: post #13

Grok 3 at the top of Chatboat Arena with 1400, and the model will continue to improve as it trains more.

And DeepSeek is just 3% behind. It seems in that benchmark all LLMs perform well and top is formed within some statistical error.

It could also be that they got "inspired" by DeepSeek, hence the very similar results.

So it could be that their success is mostly about taking an open and free thing, and turned it proprietary.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by amarcheschi »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #185
lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

There are two answers to this. Answer 1: Some people think that LLMs are a path to the singularity, a self-improving intelligent program that will vastly exceed human intelligence and will be able to increase its knowledge exponentially, quickly answering all answerable scientific questions. Answer 2: LLM companies need to keep the hype train rolling. I didn't watch the whole clip; I jumped around a bit, but I notice…

an ai god would fit well with the dark enlightenment ideas of musk and his cronies

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Post by apples_oranges »

rendang wrote: post #43
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's already clear that these are going to be commoditized and the free / open source versions will be good enough to capture enough of the value that the remaining players will not be Facebook-level monopolies on the space

Apparently it isn't clear to the investors valuing OpenAI at >300B. Possibly they're betting that the ecosystem & integrations around their models will generate a certain amount of lock-in or otherwise make the difference in a close-to-even field

Well, now their job is to keep up the illusion until they have cashed out or offloaded the investment to somebody else.

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Post by tmikaeld »

bhl wrote: post #250
phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I use it everyday. For coding, I use cursor composer to gather context about the existing codebase (context.md). Then I paste that into DeepSeek R1 to iterate on requirements and draft a high level design document, maybe some implementation details (design.md). Paste that back into composer, and iterate; then write tests. When I'm almost done, I ask composer to generate me a document on the changes it made and I doub…

This is the way.

Seriously, this is the only useful flow I've found for AI coding in general..

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #256
ncallaway wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Fixing the deficit is the opposite of looting, actually.

There is no solid evidence of a path to fixing the deficit at the moment.

There is no evidence of this happening, nor of a serviceable plan to do so.

All recovered expenses, to date, add up to a laughably small amount, and are one-time cutbacks. The strategy shows signs of costing the government in unexpected ways as well.

Most governments of developed nations operate in more sensible ways with clearer plans than this. I won't claim they are looting, but it's absurd to suggest they are fixing the deficit at the moment. The economy appears to be getting worse, not better.

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Post by weberer »

ensocode wrote: post #121

What are your first impressions using it? (Not available in Europe currently). Is it a game-changer?

>Not available in Europe currently

I hate how its the same story for every new AI technology. If someone can tell me who to vote for or where to protest to change this awful EU law, that would be great.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #253
cess11 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government puts money into his corporations, maybe you could elaborate on what extent said "success" is dependent on this relation?

He bids for contracts just like anyone else and most of those contracts were won under Democrat presidents, but I digress. If you're saying government contractors can't work for the government, then you're going to have to explain the military-industrial complex to me.

Government contractors can't work for the government in roles where there's a conflict of interest. Even in the MIC.
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