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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by notahacker »

scarab92 wrote: post #226
immibis wrote: post #216

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Did they break the rules on doxxing, or did Musk just say they did?

They shared the real time location of private individuals (or links to it). They were penalized only 24 hours after the ban took effect, but the penality was minor.

I mean, it's a massive stretch to pretend that sharing an ADS-B feed is somehow more of a share of the real time location of private individuals than livetweeting an event individuals are present at, and the reporting on Elon's U-turn on the ElonJet account that he banned journalists for came after the account had been deleted...

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by lawn »

alt227 wrote: post #243
lawn wrote: post #233

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Free speech doesn't allow you to say anything at all you know? Calling for the eradication of people with certain sexual preferences or skin color for example.

Free speech doesnt have asterisks. If certain people say things that are undesireable to other certain people, they have to power to ignore them.

Free speech is a legal construction and it does in fact come with exceptions.

Child pornography, slander, and death threats are other examples of exceptions.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by 1oooqooq »

BluSyn wrote: post #255
j-bos wrote: post #113

This comment section has turned into something of a circle, it's cool to be mad nd all, but there was a comment expressing doubt at the details, wonder about a reason other than those stated, and asking if anyone independently verified, as I clicked it the comment was flagged to oblivion. No opportunity to engage with that viewpoint.

Do all these commenters believe this nonsense? The conspiracy thinking has reached new peaks. Hard to take concerns of free speech seriously from people promoting platforms that routinely “moderate” any dissenting opinions (HN included). Our ability for collective sense making seems to be permanently destroyed. Two people who seem to agree on everything point-by-point then reach different conclusions on the final ste…

up/down vote is the laziest form of moderation. you get what you pay for.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by paganel »

decimalenough wrote: post #4

Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors? And remember how Elon bought Twitter, loudly proclaiming he was doing so to defend free speech? I'm mildly curious to see how X tries to justify this, but I suspect they've reached the stage where they don't even need to pretend to pay lip service to their notional values.

> Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors?

That was a pure US State Department/the Blob move, as soon as social media turned against them they were very quick into crying wolf and saying that said social media needs to be curtailed and protected against outside foreign influences.

I'm a mr. Calin Georgescu voter from Romania (you might have heard of him in VP Vance's recent speech held in Munich), so you can understand how come I view things this way.

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Post by throwaway93140 »

lawn wrote: post #262
alt227 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech doesnt have asterisks. If certain people say things that are undesireable to other certain people, they have to power to ignore them.

Free speech is a legal construction and it does in fact come with exceptions. Child pornography, slander, and death threats are other examples of exceptions.

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Post by throwaway93140 »

lawn wrote: post #233
alt227 wrote: post #196

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> allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant Are the people with these views not also entitled to free speech and equal rights to express themselves the same as everybody else?

Free speech doesn't allow you to say anything at all you know? Calling for the eradication of people with certain sexual preferences or skin color for example.

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Post by axegon_ »

coldblues wrote: post #231
axegon_ wrote: post #217

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Give me a break, open telegram, which is still in the clear for comrade musk and he publicly advocated for comrade durov and tell me how long it will take you to find anything from prostitution to weapons, drugs and human trafficking. It's all about punishing people who can question musk & co's authoritarian desires.

Feds can request info from Telegram. Additionally, Telegram has evolved past a simple messenger application. A massive amount of projects, most of them being crypto projects, use Telegram as their primary method of communication and announcements. It is also a very popular messenger in India and parts of Europe. They can block Signal because they can get away with it. If it means banning a bunch of CSAM traders and d…

Are you seriously this delusional? All other messengers offer e2e encryption in one form or another and the "feds" can't request shit. The only difference is that signal does it out of the box, instead of being buried 20 layers deep in menus and unlike the other messengers(including telegram) is not false advertising and is a crime in the civilized world under data protection laws. So much for free speech(which btw is not news when it comes to musk and anyone with a functioning brain). Comrade musk is in a position where he can mass execute newborn babies on Time square in broad daylight and his simps and entire government will praise him.

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Post by soulofmischief »

scarab92 wrote: post #232
soulofmischief wrote: post #206

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When you say "Wikipedia" do you mean the site operators, or the volunteer editors? If there is a factually incorrect statement in the article, instead of complaining about bias you can always edit it or start a section in the Talk page on the article. Be a part of the group and reduce its perceived bias. The simple existence of a page that documents an event is not evidence of political bias, and that accusation says…

The editors. The problem is that notability is very subjective, and wikipedia's editors are notorious for applying a low threshold for information critical of those on the right, and high threshold for information critical of the left. Suspending a few journalists for doxxing would not meet the notability threshold for an article to exist, if it occured on any other platform.

If you have verifiable information that debunks or improves upon existing text in the article, which meets the standards of the organization (not self-published, etc), I promise you that your edits will be considered and integrated. There is a Talk page for a reason.

The system is not perfect, and is still vulnerable to certain kinds of subterfuge, but the more critical thinkers involved in the process, the better. If you consider yourself a critical thinker, consider adding to the body of knowledge.

> if it occured on any other platform

Who cares? Those platforms are not Wikipedia, and serve different goals. You will find plenty of historical events covered in great depth on Wikipedia despite only involving a few people over a few days. Don't fall victim to cherry-picking.

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Post by jeroenhd »

t43562 wrote: post #219
Liquidor wrote: post #199

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HN is always a mess when the subject contains Musk, Trump, Google, browsers or social media platforms in general. I don't mind the slight political aspects of things, but reading a ton of hate and "I already deleted X" (pun intended) and "Just use Y other platform" (that no normal user can figure out) comments is just uninteresting and should stay on Reddit or wherever these nonproductive comments fit into. I'd love…

You get to moderate up or down. Otherwise people say what they want.

The biggest exception to that is dead/shadow banned accounts. Requiring showdead (without much of an explanation what that is) to see some heavily-downvoted comments makes it rather difficult to engage with some people. Then again, I rarely feel the need to engage with dead accounts.

In terms of moderation, you also get to flag/vouch posts, so moderation isn't entirely binary.

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