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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ulfw »

Zanfa wrote: post #60

Putting aside the ethics of buying a Tesla in 2024, who buys a car brand legendary for unreliability and ridiculously long service times in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? Some people like to live dangerously.

That's the part I didn't understand either. If the car isn't even sold in the market you are asking for trouble. This isn't some super exotic oldtimer sports car whatever, which you can just tinker with and don't mind to lose a lot of money on. This is your average run of the mill vehicle that needs servicing. Madness to have to drive all the way to Budapest for that.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by Diti »

lostlogin wrote: post #206
teekert wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again an opinion , Musk said it was not a Nazi salute, he didn't repeat it, he has many Jewish supporters also saying it wasn't. Just stop, please, I'm really about to give up on the comment sections here.

Weird take. He repeated his salute immediately. ‘I can’t be ist because I know an ’ is hardly a new position. Defend him all you want, he speaks for himself. We can see his actions and who he funds.

> We can see his actions and who he funds.

I’m out of the loop here. Has Musk done anything related to nazi symbols (besides that weird gesture that some people say is a nazi salute), or funded Nazi organizations?

EDIT: Why the downvotes?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by AgentK20 »

marcyb5st wrote: post #61
jamesy0ung wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8% seems like a lot. Car usually stays plugged in at home so I haven't seen it drain. I wonder if it's having trouble since the cameras aren't working, and constantly trying to detect objects or something?

Yeah, it is a lot, but it is the same in "fully working" cars. Additionally, once you to the math things look bad: 8% of a battery pack of 60kWh is around 5kWH. 5000 Wh / 24h = 208 W. 200W to keep few cameras on and a small CPU/GPU to run the logic seems a lot. Especially considering that you don't need to analyze every frame of every camera. In fact, you could easily run one frame every 5 seconds making it ~ 1FPS an…

From my understanding the problem is that the computer just....doesn't sleep if you have Sentry mode running. It's not that it's sleeping for a few seconds and then waking up, it's just fully awake drawing it's normal base load, which for HW4 [1] appears to be ~300W.

A good way to verify this if you've got a Tesla is how long it takes for the car to acknowledge commands sent via the mobile app. If they're near-instant (ignoring TCP latency ofc), the car is "Awake" and drawing it's full load. If they take 5-15 seconds, the car is Asleep and only polling it's LTE antennas for push notifications every 10s or so. If they timeout entirely, the car is in Deep Sleep and drawing almost no wattage (at least based on my observations with my wife's M3).

When in Sentry mode, responses are ALWAYS instant, so the car is fully Awake and drawing full wattage.

[1] https://teslatap.com/articles/autopilot-processors-and-hardw...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rightbyte »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

Auto programming is the prime example of Conway's law.

Like, you have 10s of critical applications that you want to keep simple and not crashing or bugging out. So, just give them each a computer.

No way for the shitty wiper department's buggy ECU to ruin your day in the brake ECU by blocking all the hydraulic lines. You can even put them on different CAN buses!

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

prmoustache wrote: post #197
decimalenough wrote: post #103

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No, it is objectively not "horrible" to drive, the Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. But OP has clearly received a lemon, and Tesla service has a well-deserved reputation for being extremely slow when they need to fix any non-trivial issue. And in the OP's case buying the car in a country with no official Tesla presence is making things even worse.

> Model Y was the world's best selling car two years in a row for a reason. I have no idea how it drives, and I am pretty sure the answer is not "horrible", but the sale numbers of a car that is ordered mostly online without test drives doesn't mean anything.

Would you trust Consumer Reports?

Tesla is the #3 after BMW and Rivian, among brands "ranked on the average percentage of owners who said in CR member surveys that they would buy the same vehicle again."

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

And second most reliable https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by atwrk »

nxm wrote: post #163
lisp2240 wrote: post #152

Knowing Tesla’s reputation for unreliable products and poor customer service how did you nazi this coming?

Data says otherwise: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

OTOH: "One in four 2020 Tesla Model 3 failed the Danish periodic inspection in 2024" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42838855

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

ddalex wrote: post #227
freetanga wrote: post #153

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When your car is half SaaS, the experience of two years ago has little to say on the current experience.

Nothing fixes a badly designed chassis or poor geometry, no matter how much Tesla wants to pretend that they can fix the handling in software

What's badly designed in Tesla models? They're among the safest cars according to both IIHS and Euro NCAP.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by the_duke »

karel-3d wrote: post #246
karel-3d wrote: post #228

To sum the article: * they sold him a broken car in December, that keeps losing battery 8% per day even when standing out doing nothing * they told him they could repair it, at the end of February, because of high demand for the part * he cannot now go to holiday peacefully and has to charge it nonstop * he doesn't consider the car safe to drive it all the way to the service center, because it basically doesn't work…

Also other thing on top of my head: start writing paper letters instead of e-mails. Usually companies take those more seriously. Paper letters means "ok he is really talking business now".

Biggest life tip: be good friends with a lawyer.

You can write up a letter for them and they send it.

In many companies anything going through legal is immediately prioritised.

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