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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by vidarh »

mondrian wrote: post #173
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You really think so? How about the alternative being he's fully pardoned of anything that might be brought against him and coasts to billionaire status by launching companies and having his funding rounds and paths to exits secured now that he's an absolute NRx legend with the full backing of Thiel and Musk?

Being fully pardoned assumes that he and/or Musk do not end up annoying Trump enough that he'd rather burn them. Franky even Musk should be concerned given how easy it is to get on the wrong side of Trump, but anyone involved in this relying on Musk being prepared to risk political capital shielding them if something goes wrong should be terrified and working on escape plans.

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Post by Spooky23 »

9283409232 wrote: post #106

The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

Auditors take time and are boring. Auditors measure performance against rules and goals — this is about discarding the rules and goals. The point of this is chaos and power.

Elon has contempt for rules and laws. Blame the fuckups on the deep state or whatever. He will run wild until the president cuts off his head.

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Post by lenerdenator »

All I can think of when I hear about DOGE is Robert McNamara's Department of Defense, where the "Whiz Kids" from industry and academia were supposed to magically fix all sorts of problems with the military's bureaucracy. After all, they went to the right schools, and really, how hard could war-making be?

We lost in Vietnam and there are people being born there with birth defects from Operation Ranch Hand to this day partially due to their work, but at least they got to pad out their resumes and were set for life as consultants.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by stainablesteel »

mmastrac wrote: post #236

The reason security clearances are so important, and why people are so upset about randos going through so much sensitive government information, is that things like this can be used by adversaries to lean on these employees in the future. One of these kids might have worse skeletons in their closet. Given how well-known their names are, adversaries of the USA are likely combing through their own intelligence archive…

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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by UncleEntity »

grandempire wrote: post #197
9283409232 wrote: post #106

The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

When we think about what tasks bright young people can become good at, I think auditing flows of money is one of them. It's a technical task with objective results, and a tight feedback cycle. The places where you need age and experience are like resolving interpersonal conflict, balancing interests from many stakeholders, setting up objectives for others to follow, etc. So to me this argument sounds the same as "how…

> So to me this argument sounds the same as "how can young kids think they can program like experienced engineers".

Which leads me to my favorite quote from TFA: "must have killed all those test pigs with some bugs"

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Post by Sloowms »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #140

I don't like Musk and have not for many years, but the left has been venerating some very flawed people for a very long time. It’s hard to be outraged now when we’ve been selectively told to ignore the past of others. Let’s not forget that Trump is the pied piper candidate promoted by the left to make it easier to win elections. I remember when Ron Desantis was successfully undermined by the news media casting him as…

It would be better to be more precise about who the left is according to you. If you think Hillary Clinton is the left, the media that is owned by billionaires or the democratic party leadership is left I feel like there is a wide range of political theory for you to learn about.

One way you might learn what the left is is by looking at some history.

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Post by bloopernova »

tootie wrote: post #258
bloopernova wrote: post #30

And now musk is calling for the impeachment of Judge Paul Engelmayer who blocked his department from accessing government payment/financial systems. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5134725-elon-musk-impe... This should be mandatory reading for everyone who argues this is just fine: https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/022...

They are ignoring the basic precepts of the constitution, have rendered Congress' authority to set budgets as moot, are threatening the judiciary and the press. I can't believe how sanguine this thread is. This is an absolute crisis.

We'll never know the true nature of the commenters on HN. However I do wonder how many are useful idiots, propagandists, disinformation spreaders, or trolls.

It is a crisis. Discarding any political leanings, just the economic fallout from this is going to be felt for years. Do none of these supporters have a 401k or savings?

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Post by lolc »

tonymet wrote: post #242
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #206

Worth noting that some of the most well-known cybersecurity experts today are former cyber criminals. It may be worth investigating his past, but a person's past is often used to attack their character when there is no other argument to make. If we were all judged solely on our past, we'd all be perpetually guilty.

That’s true. And in most other posts, the HN community is predominantly supportive of cyber criminals redeeming themselves as security experts. It’s informative that this case receives the opposite reception.

A security expert does not need access. They serve in advisory roles.
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