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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by glonq »

vel0city wrote: post #114
singhrac wrote: post #60

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This works on my personal Google account, but not on my workspace one. So I guess there's no access to 2.0 Pro then? I'm ok trying out Flash for now and see if it fixes the mistakes I ran into yesterday. Edit: it does not. It continues to miss the fact that I'm (incorrectly) passing in a scaled query tensor to scaled_dot_product_attention. o3-mini-high gets this right.

As someone with over a decade of Google Apps management history, my experiences is Workspace customers are practically always the last to get the shiny new features. Quite frustrating.

Can confirm. I run my family on the free Google Workspace Starter edition that they offered years and years ago. And we are definitely second-class citizens when it comes to old, current, and new Google features.

TBH I'd love to find a way to disband everybody from the workspace but somehow keep their identity, history, photos, etc. Even if it meant getting new @gmail addresses.

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Post by glonq »

OccamsMirror wrote: post #217
basch wrote: post #138

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Isn't that generally how it goes? Windows Vista was tested on consumers to make 7 Enterprise appropriate?

Except with Google you might never get the feature. Still can't manage Google Workspace Calendar with Google Home, for instance. A feature that's been available for personal accounts for years.

can't buy a youtube premium family subscription either, which sucks! also can't leave reviews in the google play store.

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Post by _ea1k »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #48
rickette wrote: post #41

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"what model are you using, exact name please" is usually the first prompt I enter when trying out something.

Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking responds with > I am currently running on the Gemini model. Gemini 1.5 Flash responds with > I'm using Gemini 2.0 Flash. I'm not even going to go on a limb here and say that question isn't going to give you an accurate response.

You'd think they would include this kind of detail in the training set, but it gets overlooked.

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Post by sunaookami »

danielbln wrote: post #121
dpkirchner wrote: post #105

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Mistral vs mistral.rs, Llama and llama.cpp and ollama, groq and grok. It's all terrible.

Claude Sonnet 3.5...no, not that 3.5, the new 3.5. o3-mini, no not o2. yes there was o1, yes it's better than gpt-4o.

Don't forget that o3 is actually the second model in the o-series but can't be named o2 due to obvious reasons.

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Post by andrewaylett »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #145
xnorswap wrote: post #44

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I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

There's nothing wrong with (and in fact much to be said in favor of) a "no politics" rule. When I was growing up it was common advice to not discuss politics/religion in mixed company. At one point I thought that was stupid fuddy-duddy advice, because people are adults and can act reasonably even if they disagree. But as I get older, I realize that I was wrong: people really, really can't control their emotions when…

There's a big difference between "no politics" and "no party politics". If it involves people, it involves politics! But it's only party politics if it's discussion that references (possibly very obliquely) a political party.

It's too common that people say "politics" when they mean "party politics", and I know that's not a battle I'm going to win. But it's still necessary to remember that a strict rule of "no politics" is an oxymoron, being itself inherently political.

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Post by novok »

starchild3001 wrote: post #215
tnias23 wrote: post #210

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do you mean "Gemini 2.0 Pro Experimental 02-05"? too many similarly named models

Yes.

How do you get around all the censorship? Gemini is even worse than Claude at times. And it's for things like "Obama's chili recipe" or "find the source of X person's science paper where they talked about Y in another language".

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Post by starchild3001 »

novok wrote: post #266
starchild3001 wrote: post #215

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Yes.

How do you get around all the censorship? Gemini is even worse than Claude at times. And it's for things like "Obama's chili recipe" or "find the source of X person's science paper where they talked about Y in another language".

Not a major problem in my experience if you use the aistudio version of the model. Claude tends to be the most conservative in my experience. Gemini 2.0 and 4o appear similar.

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

nudpiedo wrote: post #241
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #239

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Report link: https://chatgpt.com/share/67a4a67b-5060-8005-85b8-65eef3cb60... Let me know what you think, will ya? I'm curious as to how you'd evaluate the quality of that report. Also note the follow-up prompt I gave it. This thing needs as much detail as you can give it, and small changes to your prompt can hugely influence the end result.

Wow, thank you so much, that was 11 pages full pages. I will be a bit critical with it hoping my review helps you as well, since to me, it was very friendly and useful your offer (also I wonder if you can still do 99 more reserachs like this one during the month or this amounts already to many of such research in total). Superficially: - Awesome how fast is available and all sources linked to explain each claim - To…

> It is very useful, particularly to grasp a general, yet detailed, idea on what is going on, on a market. However it is only as valid as a remix of previous things, not an actual market research for an actual strategy. Many sources, elements, landscape of which companies and products related are there are totally useful, perhaps 30%-40% of the total work and it gives a clear structure where to go from here.

> Probably it may improve the more interactive that the tool is, for example asking to correct some sections or improve in specifically suggested ways by the user. Basically the user needs to bring expertise, reasoning from the field and critical thinking (things machines will be lacking in any foreseeable future).

Yeah, that's just the thing. With what you know, you can iterate on the results it gives you. It's very sensitive to how your prompt is written and structured, so some fine tuning, user-provided context, and user expertise, it'll dial-in on any subject very well. It's not top-expert-level yet -- at least not on its own -- but it's close, and it's miles better than asking o1-Pro (or Deepseek r1) for a detailed report.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by nitwit005 »

mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

Clearly, the next step is to rename one to "Google Chat".
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