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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ldoughty »

fl0id wrote: post #225
JimDabell wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do that, but if they don’t interact with your email either, you may be better off not doing so. You get worse delivery rates if you constantly send email that gets ignored.

tbh, these e-mails can also prompt unsubscribing. because then I actually remember that I am still subscribed to that thing.

Yet Kagi is one of the very very few services I've seen that sends a monthly reminder that they are ABOUT to charge you... And you have time to stop it. Typically I only ever see something like that with shipped goods where they might have to deal with a return + cancellation

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by kmacdough »

vincnetas wrote: post #25

Just recently i was actually thinking about this pricing approach for netflix, apple arcade or whatever else. Basically i use it so rarely that i could just subscribe when i want to watch anything, and unsubscribe immediately. This will enable subscription till end of billing period (one month). Then when i want o watch anything again then i will repeat again. And now kagi has implemented exactly this but automated f…

Kagi does keep a running subscription, so you are only getting until the end of that subscription month. But, in context and reality, it is pretty good.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ykonstant »

bugtodiffer wrote: post #101

Maybe introduce a security team instead of building a browser and email on top of your search

Care to elaborate? Comments like this are not helpful for people outside of whichever loop you are in, and people in the loop already know what you are alluding to.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by blurrybird »

oellegaard wrote: post #155
ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

I just disabled it today. I have issues searching for local stuff and the other thing - it works poorly with Safari, which is of course not their fault.

How is them not supporting Safari not their fault?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by wkat4242 »

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #133
ant6n wrote: post #120

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I dunno. The thing is, Kagi isn’t really that much better than Google. When they still had a free tier, I tried it every once in a while, and it quickly wastes a lot of searches even while just entering queries, and then the chance to find something better than Google is mediocre. Perhaps a prepaid model might make more sense, especially if it’s designed not to blow through queries quickly and transparent about how m…

I have the opposite experience: I use Kagi a hundred times a day with always relevant results while the GPTs always hallucinate random crap. I guess it depends on how you search.

I think the real value is a combination.

Use LLM to sift through search results (including all the crap clickbait) and find the thing you're really looking for.

A bit like perplexity does though I run it locally with OpenWebUI and SearXNG.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by omega3 »

vincnetas wrote: post #25

Just recently i was actually thinking about this pricing approach for netflix, apple arcade or whatever else. Basically i use it so rarely that i could just subscribe when i want to watch anything, and unsubscribe immediately. This will enable subscription till end of billing period (one month). Then when i want o watch anything again then i will repeat again. And now kagi has implemented exactly this but automated f…

I do this for all services now, it requires more active management on my part, but the mindful spending is worth it - both for the wallet and as a market signal. I used it most recently for Claude which has had scaling issues, diminished quality, defaults to concise responses.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by hotpocket777 »

blurrybird wrote: post #264
oellegaard wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just disabled it today. I have issues searching for local stuff and the other thing - it works poorly with Safari, which is of course not their fault.

How is them not supporting Safari not their fault?

On iOS at least, Apple does not allow custom search engines in Safari and does not list kagi. So the kagi app redirects requests to a different one. Feels gross and dumb.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by eitland »

Tangentially related:

Whenever I mention Kagi is actually better, someone will claim the opposite.

So yesterday someone here said something along the lines of: "With apologies to Bill Buxton every user interface is best at something and worst at something else".

So I started looking on Kagi and only found a few results, even if I took parts of it, but I narrowed it down to that the original must have been about "every input".

Guessing that Kagi had excluded a few results so I tried in Google (Googles usual problem is adding things I never asked for and I wondered if Kagi had become overzealous or something).

So here are the results from Google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Every+input+is+best+at+so...

For me Google says:

  > No results found for "Every input is best at something ".
  > Results for Every input is best at something (without quotes):
Meanwhile Kagi gives me a few relevant results:

https://kagi.com/search?q=%22Every+input+is+best+at+somethin...

So now, while Kagi has always been a lot better at not including unwanted results, it now seems it also has a larger effective index than Google.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by carlosjobim »

ant6n wrote: post #160
pfix wrote: post #128

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From kagi.com: > No ads. No tracking. No compromise. Just deep, powerful search. So you are not paying for better search but for no tracking and no ads. If you don't care about those, you're not kagi target audience.

you can get that on DuckDuckGo. The main problem with Google is that the search is garbage. Kagi wasn't able to convince me that their better within the free searches (I have an account since 2022). Now that I can't try them anymore, they can't ever convince me they're better - so their pricing model perhaps isn't very smart.

What happened is exactly what's supposed to happen: You tried the product and didn't like it, so you didn't purchase it.

It's the same with test driving a car: If you don't like it, then don't buy it.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by wkat4242 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #115
pcthrowaway wrote: post #73

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Gyms get you by making memberships cheap and easy, and cancellations incredibly difficult. The flip side of that is that only a small fraction of their members could actively use their memberships or they wouldn't have enough space. The active members get their membership effectively subsidized by people who don't use their memberships. Apparently up to 50% of a gym's sign-ups happen in the month of January due to ne…

> Gyms get you by making memberships cheap and easy, and cancellations incredibly difficult. I think that depends on your country. I’ve never had an issue cancelling my gym membership.

In Europe it's law to make cancellations as easy as signing up. Also using the same methods; so if you can sign up through the web it's not allowed to only offer cancellation by registered mail that must arrive on a full moon only.
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