Good. I'm glad to see moves that reduce market access for China, given there is little reciprocity. It's also worth hurting the Chinese economy for numerous other geopolitical reasons, including that the American economy can absorb disruptions like this a lot more easily at this time.
Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true. The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves h…
Prices in the West are maximized with the goal of reaching the peak point on the supply vs demand curve. Prices in the East, and China in particular, are minimized [presumably?] with the goal of maximizing longterm marketshare. One of the easiest examples of this is water [1] because it's a relatively low-labor, low-processing industry. Yet a bottle of water in the West tends to cost about 700% more than a bottle of…
Good point. Capitalism's fundamental is RoI, and in China the time scale is "forever" while in the venture capital market it's 5 years max.
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#263This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…
It would be cheaper to temp relocate a bunch of teams to the EU at this point, than completely stop all R&D.
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#264Anyone got a non-intuited, horses-mouth reason why? I suspect (ie, intuit) that its actually an attack on the USPS, not on China. The party of government doesn't like the post office, and this is to teach us not to like the post office either. I guess if they stopped using electric cars, they might like the post office again.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/u-s-postal-service-places-... > The Trump administration this week imposed a 10% tariff on all goods from China and banned all low-value, e-commerce parcels from receiving duty-free benefits under the de minimis entry program. The administration said the emergency order is part of its strategy to stop the illegal shipment of fentanyl and precursor chemicals into the United States."
> The administration said the emergency order is part of its strategy to stop the illegal shipment of fentanyl and precursor chemicals into the United States."
Lol said out of their mouth while he was pardoning the head of the Silk Road underground/darkweb drug distribution organization to pump his crypto.
Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
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Also cheap because the entire world subsidizes China-to-elsewhere shipping via the UPU continuing to classify them a “developing country”.
Why would China not count as a developing country?
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3921082-house-unanimously...
> “Their economy size is second only to that of the United States. [The] United States is treated as a developed country, so should PRC,” Kim said. “And is also treated as a high-income country in treaties and international organizations, so China should also be treated as a developed country.”
And CCP also usually paints PRC superior to US in everything so it's kind of their choice too...
Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
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Can you ship via non-USPS couriers? FedEx, etc?
If the basis of this move is that the USPS haven't figured out how to collect the tariffs on imports from China you would expect other couriers to be implementing the same measures very soon.
No.
USPS forwards packages from HongKong Post and China Post -- they don't have direct relationship with the shipper.
FedEX/DHL, otoh, have their local office in HongKong and China, they help the customer do declaration and inspect them before seal.
When FexEX/DHL package got the declaration wrong, they got fined. When USPS package got the declaration wrong, they are hand-tied.
Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
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Mind the F-bomb's, this ain't a TISM concert mate. It is simply stating that if China was stopping parcels bound for the US then the current US admin might be petty enough to pretend that they are the ones stopping incoming parcels from China to appear in control. This doesn't seem likely, but the sentiment is reasonable .. the current crowd do seem exceptionally petty.
I agree that their aggression wasn't needed, but while this isn't a concert it is a grown up discussion space where we can see the word "fuck", spelled more than the first letter, without fainting!
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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
#268This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…
It would be cheaper to temp relocate a bunch of teams to the EU at this point, than completely stop all R&D.
The only team you need in the EU is someone to peel shipping labels off inbound parcels and ship them on to the US.
Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
#269This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…
>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true. The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves h…
The opportunities for entrepreneurs to learn the necessary prereqs to launch such startups are no longer present. US political leaders and businesses responsible for fiscal policy and (anti-)taxation lobbying do not consider “investment in education of industrial workers” to be a relevant enough factor in domestic manufacturing security to be worth taxing, spending, or lobbying for. The fiscal climate for launching new businesses of this sort is also now extremely hostile; entrepreneurs are expected to self-fund their businesses, which is now due to wage deflation wholly incompatible with high-capex industries like electronics; or to persuade a VC investor to bet on them, which is how we get Juicero; or to pursue subscription-based revenues, which is how we get the Cricut revolt of a couple years back; or to persuade a bank to take a risk on a large capex loan with uncertain outcomes, when banks can make more reliable money gambling on financial derivatives and government bailouts and monetary policy does not compel them to loan out excess reserves.
This is the long con of Reagan in the 80s: extracting value and diverting profits from households to shareholders will only get you a few decades before the last well-trained, well-funded workforce ages out and no one’s left to prop up the scam. In SimCity terms, the US is collapsing from High-Density Industrial to Medium-Density Industrial because all the schools had their funding cut for 50 years while the city budget has Commercial taxes set to 0%. The solutions are similarly apparent to any SimCity player, but deeply unpalatable for the real-world beneficiaries — the 0.1% — that are now accustomed to their diverted income. Ironically, one of the best ways to learn more about the grifter’s mindset is to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand; not because she proposed a workable solution or because it’s a good or bad novel, but because her portrayal of the grifter sociopathy is dead-on accurate for what we now see happening. Or, watch the TV show Leverage; the villains are often a stellar model of the same.
Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Because the West has to actually follow environmental and safety regulations. As opposed to write them down on paper and wipe your ass with it when the West isn't looking. Evidence: I watched a tour video from one of these Chinese PCB houses and some of the workers were wearing surgical masks. Not for COVID mind you, for presiding…
"Because the West has to actually follow environmental and safety regulations" ... that can only exist because they can circumvent them by offshoring all their production to the East and South. If they actually wanted to comply rather than bypass said regulations they would have to curb consumption for which there would not be support.
Next you're going to tell me that the cobalt used to make batteries for the electric vehicles literally saving the environment right now in the West is being mined by enslaved children in the Congo with archaic hand tools and no PPE under inconceivable conditions.