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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by brookst »

xbmcuser wrote: post #255
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

the only reason the ban came down was AIPAC was not able to get them to ban or silent ban pro Palestine sentiment and voices like facebook etc do.They were wary of it before but suddenly a bill banning gets passed in days something that normally takes months

Are you saying the closed door intelligence meeting had no bearing, or that it was… Israel? Or I’m not sure what you’re implying.

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Post by dralley »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #211
theossuary wrote: post #81

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Thats how most propaganda works. Russia, for example, has been publicizing cases of extreme racism in the US for years to demoralize black people. [1] Hell this has been going on since WWII, when other countries saw how the US treated their black troops, and used it to damage loyalty. [2] Nothing works like the truth, if the US could just stop being so racist it'd be that much harder to divide us. It seems like that'…

The funny thing is Russia an China can claim to be less racist as they are homogenous societies.

... What?

That is completely nonsense. Absolutely ludicrous.

Neither Russia nor China are homogenous. Both have large Muslim minorities (and both are be pretty racist against them). Eastern Russians are not European descended and are looked down on by Western Russians. Tibetans are not Han Chinese.

Even the Asian nations that actually are pretty "homogenous" like Japan and Korea are also famously pretty racist.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by 2030ai »

realreal89 wrote: post #213
tptacek wrote: post #73

This is performative and obviously stupid, but to add some technical color to it: in the alternate universe where this passed, rather than floating around as a signalling tool for Josh Hawley, ordinary violators would see nothing resembling a 20 year sentence. This statute falls under the 2M5 section of the sentencing guideline (for export violations); it has a base offense level of 14 (15-21 months) and is probation…

Oh good, so it's just a tool to selectively and arbitrarily make examples of people. I'm sure the government would never abuse that power. Carry on, then, citizen.

In addition big AI are swinging their clubs with Trump so this is a good way to jail the competition.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

tptacek wrote: post #102
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #84

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Too many people have it now. What would be likely to happen if the bill passed is selective enforcement. Many dictatorships have very broad laws that almost everyone inevitably breaks, but as long as you don't challenge the dictator or speak out against them in any way, you are safe. But the moment you speak out against the government, suddenly the law gets enforced, since in the governments eyes, you have now commit…

Among the many reasons this could never pass: it would require extensive cooperation with the Senate minority (the majority holds control by just a thread, and not by enough move anything but reconciliation bills through) which isn't going to cooperate on anything resembling this.

There's only one Senator I trust to be able to understand the nuances of these kinds of issues and that's Ron Wyden, he's a Democrat. I would hope he would filibuster this if it came to the floor. As an Oregonian, I would definitely call his office if this came up for a vote.

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Post by lovich »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #211
theossuary wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats how most propaganda works. Russia, for example, has been publicizing cases of extreme racism in the US for years to demoralize black people. [1] Hell this has been going on since WWII, when other countries saw how the US treated their black troops, and used it to damage loyalty. [2] Nothing works like the truth, if the US could just stop being so racist it'd be that much harder to divide us. It seems like that'…

The funny thing is Russia an China can claim to be less racist as they are homogenous societies.

If you were not aware, Russia is famously diverse and a large number of their oblasts(province level equivalent jurisdictions) are drawn up along ethnic lines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

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Post by tptacek »

2030ai wrote: post #264
realreal89 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh good, so it's just a tool to selectively and arbitrarily make examples of people. I'm sure the government would never abuse that power. Carry on, then, citizen.

In addition big AI are swinging their clubs with Trump so this is a good way to jail the competition.

You are both talking as if this could possibly pass, and it cannot.

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Post by tptacek »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #265
tptacek wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among the many reasons this could never pass: it would require extensive cooperation with the Senate minority (the majority holds control by just a thread, and not by enough move anything but reconciliation bills through) which isn't going to cooperate on anything resembling this.

There's only one Senator I trust to be able to understand the nuances of these kinds of issues and that's Ron Wyden, he's a Democrat. I would hope he would filibuster this if it came to the floor. As an Oregonian, I would definitely call his office if this came up for a vote.

It's not going to require a Ron Wyden filibuster. The Senate minority is not going to jump onto a grandstanding bill by an especially right-wing member of the majority. The bill will never clear cloture. That's before you even address the question of whether it'd get near-unanimous support from the majority, which is what it would need.

This is why stories like this are "officially" off-topic for HN ("proposed bill" is the search query you want). The actual mechanics of US politics are such that stuff like this pops up all the time, with everybody playing the televised game, as opposed to the home game like us, understanding that none of this is actually going to happen. Us talking about it was the entire ballgame for Hawley.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

brookst wrote: post #261
xbmcuser wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the only reason the ban came down was AIPAC was not able to get them to ban or silent ban pro Palestine sentiment and voices like facebook etc do.They were wary of it before but suddenly a bill banning gets passed in days something that normally takes months

Are you saying the closed door intelligence meeting had no bearing, or that it was… Israel? Or I’m not sure what you’re implying.

It is true that the reasoning mentioned by the commenter was also given as an example of why TikTok needs to be banned by a few legislators.

I don't think the closed door intelligence was about that though. I think they probably said that the persuasive power of TikTok was dangerous to the US, but imo, that's very against the First Amendment and the idea of democracy. Americans are allowed to be influenced however which way we want. We run the government, not the other way around

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