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Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by aliasxneo »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #244
aliasxneo wrote: post #196

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> I would argue that being rabidly apolitical while a dangerous threat to western democracy has been growing in America for years is the rough part. Some of us are just here as technology professionals looking to learn and keep current on the latest trends. There's nothing wrong with that.

Some yes, but maybe not you? Because you used the following language yesterday: "Only a few short months ago, I was under constant attack from various public members of the Democratic party for being a white male with center-right views. The vitriol was quite unhinged, really." when asked for specifics you went to '...on CNN for example'.

Do I engage in politics on HN occasionally? Yes. Is it my primary motivation? No. I don't open up HN with the intention of having rigorous political discussions, even though I sometimes fall into them.

My comment history, which it seems you only partially perused, demonstrates this to be true. Especially if you go back a year ago before things became politically charged around here.

I also don't see what relevance my example has to this conversation. It sounds like you're trying to corner me into a specific label (Republican, maybe?). I guess thanks for proving my point about discussions around here?

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Post by avs733 »

gosub100 wrote: post #185
intermerda wrote: post #26

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Basically what you are saying is that me robbing you, and me making economic policy that might lead to increased unemployment which might lead to greater housing or food insecurity which might lead to increases in crime which might lead to you getting robber are indistinguishable.

Adults can differentiate between direct and indirect causal relationships…it is basically the cognitive development definition of adulthood (c.f. Work by Piaget)

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Post by ikiris »

api wrote: post #63
malfist wrote: post #44

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They were ordered to halt all publications, cancel trainings and not communicate with state health departments

What is the supposed rationale for this? Or is this just a general ideological purge of the government? This is going to be a crazy four years, if it’s only four.

it might make the admin look bad if they say bad things happened.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by timschmidt »

hedora wrote: post #81
johnnyanmac wrote: post #5

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How is it that Trump is so timely at cutting medical resources right before the moment it is most needed? Or perhaps such outbreaks are more common than you'd expect and it's the equivalent of leaving a firewall down for a day? And yeah, I'm aware a bigger factor in this freeze was hiding the very obvious Bird Flu pandemic. Can't hide the eggs getting more expensive though.

Cutting resources often is the root cause for an outbreak. - SARSv2 (aka Covid-19) happened after Trump disbanded the team that contained SARSv1. - During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again. - Antivaxxers in NYC caused a massive measles outbreak a few years ago. Etc, etc.

> During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again.

There are cough other reasons for that as well:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vacc...

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Post by ksenzee »

BeetleB wrote: post #251
ksenzee wrote: post #155

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It’s a valid question, but I don’t think the current vaccine-unfriendly climate in the US is the reason why the BCG vaccine wasn’t mentioned. BCG wasn’t routinely given in the US even in the last half of the 20th century when vaccines were universally popular. I was surprised to learn a TB vaccine even existed when I started a public health−adjacent job in the 2000s. Our public health establishment just isn’t convinc…

The US medical community never accepted the effectiveness of that vaccine. They don't think it does a good job at prevention and it makes it harder to detect as anyone whose had that vaccine treats positive with the skin test.

All of the above, as well as the fact that the incidence of TB is already so low that the vaccine could cause more harm than it prevents.

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Post by chairmansteve »

giantg2 wrote: post #111
llamaimperative wrote: post #4

This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report which has been published weekly since 1960 (my understanding is this is without fail). But unfortunately the current administration has decided an ideological purification is more important than keeping the American public apprised of threats to their health. So it wasn't published last week, and probably won't be this we…

Wouldn't this have showed up in the reports last year when the numbers were actively happening? There's been 1 case this year it says. If the ideology was what you're saying, then wouldn't they want to spread the info and blame it on the "dirty illegals" or whatever?

32 active cases actually. 1 new case since January 1st.

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Post by bagels »

twright wrote: post #125
api wrote: post #63

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What is the supposed rationale for this? Or is this just a general ideological purge of the government? This is going to be a crazy four years, if it’s only four.

Since losing in 2020 the various think tanks and groups that make up the right-wing have settled on a unified, frightening, vision of what the US government should look like equipped with (extremely dubious) legal rhetoric and reason to back it up. Most notable of these is Project 2025 by the Heritage Foundation[1] which is a keyhole glimpse into the chaos of this last week and in the years to come. The section relev…

Trump made Trump look bad.

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Post by dmix »

Dalewyn wrote: post #228
gonzobonzo wrote: post #221

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You can read the MMWR reports, the OP linked to them: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/index.html The ones that were published in the weeks prior to the current administration weren't talking about the Kansas tuberculosis outbreak either. So we're not really discussing the "US federal government department agency publishing (or not) data on that outbreak." Someone's implying that's what happened, and then people are spinning…

I at least didn't read any of the links because I couldn't care less beyond seeing what everyone was talking about in a thread about tuberculosis in the US. My point still stands that if someone doesn't want to see conversations regarding the US, politics or otherwise, maybe he should stay out of threads regarding the US and maybe also find other forums not hosted in America and managed by Americans where the vast ma…

That’s a wholly unambitious worldview

Online communities need constant self checking and introspection to not go off the deepend. This isn’t like Reddit where you can unsubscribe from the crazy big politics subreddits or unfollow people on Twitter. I still think the old ideal of HN where we have some higher goal than yet another US political rant forum is still worth fighting for.

> I couldn't care less beyond seeing what everyone was talking about in a thread about tuberculosis in the US.

I was interested in the issue in Kansas because I read the article. 66 people almost entirely in 2 counties isn’t exactly a national statistics collection issue

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