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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by abracadaniel »

throw310822 wrote: post #208
threeseed wrote: post #156

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> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Biden had 400 days to take those actions- coincidentally, he took them at the moment he has basically no power any more? Which is not to say I trust Trump. Afaik he's a fanatic Israel supporter. We'll have to wait and see what happens to pass any judgement on this.

You had 9 months to produce a baby, but you waited until the final day to deliver it? What a terribly mismanaged project.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by smashah »

megaman821 wrote: post #235
kelthuzad wrote: post #230

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This is what the Nazis also accused "The Jews" of doing amongst other anti semitic nonesense, they convinced themselves of these crimes by a subset of the Jewish population and decided to punish the whole with industrial mass slaughter. The main difference is the majority of The Nazi Holocaust was uncovered in Nuremberg and it shocked the conscience of the west, whereas the holocaust of Gaza has been live-streamed and we've had to suffer unlimited justifications for it from Israel's supporters.

The thing about genocide and holocaust is there's no justifications for it. Ever. No matter how much Goebbels or AIPAC or the ADL try to create one out of the ether.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by tdeck »

worik wrote: post #139

Time to pay the piper. IMO Iran is the winner (least damaged) out of all this. Their proxies are smashed, but the core strength is still the same. Israel has blown all its international credibility. The International Court of Justice verdict will be very interesting. If it goes against Israel then BDS will (should) become the policy for all countries.

Israel already violated multiple clear orders from the ICJ so I honestly don't see what mechanism would hold them accountable.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by nl »

gruez wrote: post #226
vFunct wrote: post #138

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The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters? Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and tha…

>The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Are you talking about Anat Schwartz? Based on her wikipedia article she served in the "Israeli Air Force intelligence division" at some point, but not when she wrote the article. I guess this technically counts as "literal IDF intelligence agent", but is at le…

It's also worth noting that every Israeli (with a few exceptions) has military service obligations so every Israeli journalist has served in the IDF at some point.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by ausidbcidhsb »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Post by Supermancho »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #33
Supermancho wrote: post #10

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Israel has a bunch of land that is politically and practically simpler to annex, than before. Israel is more secure by far, knowing that the US will continue to fund them even in the face of being convicted of humanitarian crimes.

> being convicted of humanitarian crimes. The UN and ICC have both shown they're absolutely powerless and useless.

This is not in dispute. None of what I initially posted is in dispute.

I would propose this "war" was relatively cheap in Israeli civilian lives lost for what was gained.

Demonstrably increasing the reach of Israel action without external repercussions, makes it a security win for Israel. None of the international community will put troops in front of Israel to benefit Palestine. That's worth something to know (converting an unknown to a known).

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Post by spoonfeeder006 »

boringg wrote: post #223
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

But if it is in fact more humane than in the past (hard to imagine TBH), hopefully that trend of gradual improvement will continue?

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

wk_end wrote: post #99
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

> I also found Trump's signalling in the whole issue odd. His base and his cabinet is full of the most hard-line pro-israel figures imaginable, but then he goes forward and quotes Jeffrey Sachs and ostensibly pressures Netanyahu into accepting the ceasefire. Trump just wanted a deal - he loves being the "deal guy". Frankly, I'm shocked he didn't push Bibi into waiting until after the inauguration. Guess he felt like…

> Guess he felt like it was close enough that he could still take credit for it.

He's a private citizen. It isn't legal for him to engage in foreign diplomacy. Conveniently we have a feckless DoJ that won't hold people accountable.

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Post by tdeck »

katamari-damacy wrote: post #199

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This is essentially how Turkiye continues to describe the Armenian Genocide to this day. "A) there was a war going on, people sometimes die in wars whoops it's tragic" and "B) the situation is very complex and nuanced and any narrative but our chosen one is too simplistic". It sounds pretty familiar doesn't it?

https://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-t...

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Post by Sabinus »

Qem wrote: post #153
Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

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>colonial apartheid character

How does this square with the Palestinians inside Israel with citizenship having the same rights as Jewish Israeli ones? Execution issues and favoritism of the ethnostate majority aside.

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