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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by quesera »

caspper69 wrote: post #241
pjc50 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's so unproductive why does it pay so well?

These companies hire all of these exemplary graduates and pay them so well because (1) they are flush with cash because businesses are essentially held hostage to adtech; and (2) so that they won't go out into the world and build systems that make them irrelevant, as smart people are wont to do from time to time. Someone on your payroll doesn't have the time nor the inclination to knock you from your pedestal. Why el…

Re: Apple's 164K employees.

Keep in mind that approximately 50% work in the retail stores.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

I like the idea of made in America and bringing manufacturing self sufficiency to the US. But I don’t like the idea of reducing dependency on Taiwan, which makes it so that the world may ignore their plight in face of increasing aggression from China. The CCP is an authoritarian dictatorial government that seeks illegitimate control over Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, and other areas. They need to be stopped and the solution isn’t to remove incentives to defend those areas.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by rafram »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #198
selimthegrim wrote: post #172

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Would that be the thing that Trump says he wants to stop on day one? Those asylum-seekers? The Trump who is inviting Xi to his inauguration?

You can't really be this obtuse. Asylum of high-skilled silicon workers from an ally under invasion isn't nearly the same thing as the asylum being granted over the last 4 years to anyone who could download the CBP One app. Trump is inviting Xi as a troll / show of power.

> the asylum being granted over the last 4 years to anyone who could download the CBP One app

This is entirely unmoored from reality. CBP One only allows people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela to make appointments, and once they have one, they have to actually show up and argue their case (why they need to come to the US for their own safety). You can’t just show a border patrol officer that you have CBP One and walk on through.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by hnthrowaway0315 »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #142
hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #85

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Maybe that's how US is going to have enough STEM talents -- just like WWI and WWII, take as many talents as possible when the other parts of the world are in shit.

The scenario that we’re going to be able to fight a war with another first world power, where we will attack their infrastructure but ours will be left untouched, seems unlikely.

We just need to make sure that we never fight directly with another regional power, e.g. China or Russia. IMO, neither of them wants a fight with the US too, because you don't want to push a super power to the corner, EVEN if you think you are good enough to win.

In the mean time, the situation in EU and Asia is going to deteriorate and North America can absorb more talents as it sees fit. The last two times it was mostly EU but this time Asia might be the new talent pool we can draw from.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by caspper69 »

quesera wrote: post #261
caspper69 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These companies hire all of these exemplary graduates and pay them so well because (1) they are flush with cash because businesses are essentially held hostage to adtech; and (2) so that they won't go out into the world and build systems that make them irrelevant, as smart people are wont to do from time to time. Someone on your payroll doesn't have the time nor the inclination to knock you from your pedestal. Why el…

Re: Apple's 164K employees. Keep in mind that approximately 50% work in the retail stores.

Right, and at least Microsoft has a large sales organization.

But Google and Meta?

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by bun_at_work »

tombert wrote: post #232
CPLX wrote: post #214

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Indeed. It's just bullshit, propaganda. There's simply no real reason we can't have a deep and robust manufacturing base in America. Well except for the fact that some specific people made a whole lot of money while letting it fall apart, and have paid for decades of media relations trying to convince everyone otherwise. If you're reading this statement I just made and want to instinctively disagree with me, start by…

> Why do you think America can't compete with China, for example, over the long term? Not saying I necessarily disagree with you, but just to give an example, the US has considerably better labor practices and labor laws than China. It's not perfect but there are protections about making sure people are paid what they're owed, how much you are allowed to work someone, safety protocols, etc. All of those things could,…

Just calling out that worker protections and increased labor costs seem to be the result of workers making more money. As the work force becomes wealthier, they _need_ less money, and their standards rise. This means their labor becomes more expensive and they demand safer workplaces. They demand more time off. This happened in the USA and is currently happening in China and other low-labor-cost nations.

I think the person you responded to is right. The USA can and should restore its manufacturing base, for many reasons. The whole country would greatly benefit from the return of blue-collar jobs.

I don't have sources for this, but the info is out there.

Also, there are a lot of nuances around this topic that I'm not getting into here. Just want to acknowledge that...

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by genidoi »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #263

I like the idea of made in America and bringing manufacturing self sufficiency to the US. But I don’t like the idea of reducing dependency on Taiwan, which makes it so that the world may ignore their plight in face of increasing aggression from China. The CCP is an authoritarian dictatorial government that seeks illegitimate control over Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, and other areas. They need to be stopped and…

There's a need to be pragmatic here; In the event of any kinetic Chinese aggression, TSMC (and other co's) fabs are going to be rendered inoperable, regardless of how well executed a US response is.
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