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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Economic self strangulation induced via the wealth gap. Its going to be economically impossible to build anything but luxury shoes next.

I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID. How does the wealth gap cause inflation?

It massively inflates asset prices which disproportionately benefit those who are already wealthy (they also have easier access to capital).

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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I don't think Tesla can get rid of Musk. If investors saw Tesla as just a car company the stock would collapse. Musk keeps making promises and breaking them, but it seems to pump the stock thus far.

> don't think Tesla can get rid of Musk They can't and they shouldn't. Tesla has a solid business. It just looks like it may have capped out its growth prospects in the U.S. and Europe. (In vehicles.)

And it seems to US/European companies will ever be able to compete in China again. So what’s left?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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> You have almost no far left in the US. Overton window. Obviously "left" vs "right" depends on the geography and time period. Otherwise, it becomes very hard to talk about politics.

Not really, historically far-left is the revolutionary left, the one you see organize global strikes (they don't believe in representation democracy, only in direct democracy, bottom up, so it is _very_ rare to see them participate in elections). Since global strikes are forbidden in the US, you'll have to define it by its negative: anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist always, anti-globalist sometime. You have some g…

> only in direct democracy,

I thought far-left is typically vanguardist and doesn’t believe in any type of [real] democracy? Dictatorship of the proletariat and all that stuff..

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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I agree but I think s/he showed good faith with the rest of the comment and shouldn't be flagged. GP's surprise that Taibbi (author of the Twitter Files, hired by Musk) said "there is no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story" is great evidence of the fact that many people just live in informational wormholes.

Thank you. I think someone (or maybe multiple people) just mass flagged all my comments, including ones that I struggle to see as controversial. My curiosity and questioning of the "consensus reality" apparently really upset someone. Doesn't exactly make me more confident in their opinions, if when I question them or try to understand them by comparing my own views people attempt to silence me unjustly (I didn't brea…

> when I question them or try to understand them by comparin

You didn’t do that in good faith, though. Just entirely handwaving his support for far-right parties in Europe can’t really lead to any productive discussion? Can it?

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Thank you. I think someone (or maybe multiple people) just mass flagged all my comments, including ones that I struggle to see as controversial. My curiosity and questioning of the "consensus reality" apparently really upset someone. Doesn't exactly make me more confident in their opinions, if when I question them or try to understand them by comparing my own views people attempt to silence me unjustly (I didn't brea…

> when I question them or try to understand them by comparin You didn’t do that in good faith, though. Just entirely handwaving his support for far-right parties in Europe can’t really lead to any productive discussion? Can it?

I don't understand. How is it that my comment can't lead to any productive discussion?

I don't know anything about that AfD party, why Elon supports them, or their policies. At a glance it does appear the Elon supports them. I am taking the previous commenter at their word that the party backs "complete closure" of the EU borders, but I can't confirm or deny it yet. I haven't looked into it yet. At a glance it does seem extreme (from an Overton window perspective) for Elon to be backing a political party that wants to break up the EU.

How was my previous comment handwaving? I have to expand into all of the above instead of summarizing my impression in order for me to not be handwaving?

Like... what?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

norway was almost full EV purchases last year. cold weather issues are totally exacerbated. also, i drove in a tesla, and the number of cameras doing weird and confusing things with bad perspectives weirded me out. i don't know why, but it just felt wrong, and too much information on the screen too. like they tried to do every technical thing just because. and if you don't think musk is a danger, idk what to tell you…

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Sure - I'll try harder. But I think the post you're responding to is entirely factual and reasonable under the circumstances.

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I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

The blue tribe are especially riled about Elon Musk belonging to the red tribe… because Musk once belonged to the blue tribe.

To tribal types, there’s nothing worse than an apostate.

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Perhaps if they had delivered a cheaper Tesla instead of a robotaxi that nobody asked for, won’t meet the needs of 90% of people wanting a taxi, and isn’t anywhere near ready to operate on public roads, the market would have expanded.

How about instead we offer you a $100k "truck" that can't do basic truck things, misses every single claimed feature, and has such poor basic engineering competency that it had at least one whistleblower? Oh and it's stupid ugly as well.

That truck always reminds me of that Simpsons episode, where Homer designs a car.

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Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

The CEO of Tesla has just called for the UK govenment to free one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (also known as Tommy Robinson) from prison.

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