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US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Israel literally blew people up with a supply chain violation. I’m very comfortable with my assessment.

The supply chain violation was performed by a Hungarian shell company with no links to Israeli tech. Using it as an example of why you would avoid any Israel-based companies is a weird security strategy.

It was an Israeli operation. Israelis celebrated it and bragged about it. It is a prime example of why I don't do business with Israel.

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Yes, I think the pager attack is also an interesting case study. It's one thing to execute a supply chain compromise for information gathering, where the target may never know what happened. On the other hand, flaunting your abilities in that area will just lead you to being cut out of supply chains.

Hezbolla didn't intentionally include israel in its supply chain. The impressive part of the attack is that they managed to insert themselves into an enemy's military supply chain without their enemy knowing - which is a 101 thing militaries try to prevent. If they were just abusing their known position in a supply chain, it would be much less impressive. So i don't think it follows that the attack would lead to isra…

It wasn't "impressive", it just operated outside the bounds of moral values that the rest of the world holds, so it was unexpected.

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How many non-combatants have died due to being killed deliberately, and how many have died due to being collateral damage in a warzone? I believe the distinction and ratio between the two things is very important when trying to determine the intent of Israel (as outside observers) and whether or not they are perpetrating genocide.

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I didn't say "its gas chambers or its no big deal", those are words you put in my mouth. Rather, I made the point (with an example) that the actual actions being taken matter, you can't just say "innocents are dying therefore it is genocide".

The burden of proof is on those claiming genocide, not on me.

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You keep conflating Hamas with Palestinians. It seems deliberate. I for one do not think they are the same thing, but if you do I'm not sure this conversation can go anywhere. I am also unsure why you think you should be able to speak to the motives of Hamas and Israel (and therefore assert the intent is genocide) while I cannot. As a side note, you argue like you are on Reddit. It might be helpful to review the site…

I don’t conflate Hamas with Palestinians at all, in fact I believe that it is those justifying the wanton murder of the Palestinian population by an oppressive military force who are doing exactly that. But we know full well that duplicity has been weaponized in this conflict. As for your ‘tone policing’, I’m not sure I can take your advice to heart given the position you take, of justifying the inhumane treatment of…

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Hezbolla didn't intentionally include israel in its supply chain. The impressive part of the attack is that they managed to insert themselves into an enemy's military supply chain without their enemy knowing - which is a 101 thing militaries try to prevent. If they were just abusing their known position in a supply chain, it would be much less impressive. So i don't think it follows that the attack would lead to isra…

It wasn't "impressive", it just operated outside the bounds of moral values that the rest of the world holds, so it was unexpected.

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The supply chain violation was performed by a Hungarian shell company with no links to Israeli tech. Using it as an example of why you would avoid any Israel-based companies is a weird security strategy.

It was an Israeli operation. Israelis celebrated it and bragged about it. It is a prime example of why I don't do business with Israel.

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The supply chain violation was performed by a Hungarian shell company with no links to Israeli tech. Using it as an example of why you would avoid any Israel-based companies is a weird security strategy.

It was an Israeli operation. Israelis celebrated it and bragged about it. It is a prime example of why I don't do business with Israel.

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I didn't say "its gas chambers or its no big deal", those are words you put in my mouth. Rather, I made the point (with an example) that the actual actions being taken matter, you can't just say "innocents are dying therefore it is genocide". The burden of proof is on those claiming genocide, not on me.

You were presenting an either-or argument, pretty much along those lines. A basically very specious argument, it was.

I was paraphrasing you, but not unfairly in that sense.

The burden of proof is on those claiming genocide, not on me.

The burden of proof is on the occupying forces, to show that they are not causing undue harm to the population affected.

We could adjudicate this further, but as said - you've simply worn me out, via your patently spurious opening.

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I'm not sure that would be a good idea. Do you, personally, want to be the weak link in the chain to something a nation state wants?

Whether I know the password, or I know how to access the password via a password manager, I am still the weak link. The point is that a password manager is an additional weak link in the chain.

Well, hacking the password manager doesn’t involve you meeting a $5 wrench.
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