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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by koen31 »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #156
koen31 wrote: post #124

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Grayjay dev here. If you want it to use your user directory like other apps, just remove the file called "Portable". Keep in mind that it just uses your working directory to write files otherwise.

NixOS user here, where running precompiled binaries from your downloads folder won't work. Could you look at supporting a Flatpak for Linux? If unsure, I'll happily throw a manifest together and post it on a MR.

Grayjay dev here, we want to provide the app however people want to consume it (binaries, flatpak, appimage, ...) but it will take us some time to get everything as it should be.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by kfajdsl »

lkurtz wrote: post #79

Recommending (and running) `xattr -c` can be extremely dangerous. I would suggest withholding Mac releases until they can be distributed/run safely.

It's about as dangerous as running a Linux or Windows binary.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by cxr »

pxoe wrote: post #259
cxr wrote: post #258

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> a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave > just don't watch Is your position a value judgement on the morality of not watching ads + technology that enables you to watch as few as possible? Or on the societal fixation to consume junk? If the former, please elaborate on your position as it relates to VCRs and DVRs of the sort that are built-in to DirecTV receivers.

i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating. "i hate this so much but i have to get it cause i apparently need it so badly". something being deserving to be obtained, yet not deserving to be paid for. and most of all, somebody feeling so entitled to it that they just can't actually refuse it completely.

You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently.

> i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating

You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by josephcsible »

dishsoap wrote: post #199
josephcsible wrote: post #133

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Once you buy a Mac, Apple doesn't own it anymore, so them not wanting you to run a piece of software isn't a good reason why you shouldn't.

This used to be true. It is, in fact, not true anymore!

It's still true. Why do you think it isn't?

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by virtualritz »

gtsop wrote: post #207
Suppafly wrote: post #194

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>Parent is not wrong, but definitely could have some improved manners and tact. I don't understand the weird tone policing that people are trying to do, there is literally nothing wrong with the parent's comment and pretending otherwise is weird.

I didn't see it as tone policing. From my point of view, I saw a very interesting application being shared and I hoped it would be good and prosperous so i can use it. When the first comment says "i hate that you do X" it is a bit discouraging towards a team of developers who have probably poured tons of free hours into making this. Words play with psychology, and it is my personal interest that these devs have good…

This is a cultural problem.

What is considered impolite in the US or the UK is considered just being straightforward in e.g. Scandinavia.

I am German, we're kind of in the middle between someone from e.g. Finland and someone from e.g. or the UK or US with what we consider "ok" or rather crossing into rude territory.

A common exchange I witnessed in a meeting at work (Nokia):

Finnish developer: And if we follow this suggestion we will all look like idiots.

UK developer: I hear you.

Deciding which one is more impolite or impolite at all is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)

You get my point.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by nozzlegear »

Suppafly wrote: post #214
gtsop wrote: post #207

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I didn't see it as tone policing. From my point of view, I saw a very interesting application being shared and I hoped it would be good and prosperous so i can use it. When the first comment says "i hate that you do X" it is a bit discouraging towards a team of developers who have probably poured tons of free hours into making this. Words play with psychology, and it is my personal interest that these devs have good…

"i hate that you do x" is perfectly normal, you're being weird.

Taking "I hate that you do x" as a combative or rude dismissal is perfectly normal too.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

lrvick wrote: post #205

I love the right to repair work Louis Rossmann does, and this project goal as a whole, but this license is a major step backwards for software distribution with high assurances of security, freedom and privacy. Debian, Arch, Guix, F-droid or any other independent signed reproducible build channels require a true Open Source license to function legally. The license thus forces users to download unsigned non-reproducib…

The license lets you do whatever you want except rip off FUTO. What does the license prevent you from doing?

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by em-bee »

ferbivore wrote: post #236
em-bee wrote: post #226

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while that is technically mostly correct, that does not properly reflect their intentions. they most certainly are interested in allowing you to fork their software as a user. but what they are also interested in is to prevent a fork to take revenue from the original developers. so you can most likely (i don't know the details) fork and change and redistribute the code. what you can not do is exploit that commerciall…

That's not a fork in the sense normally used by the free software community. It's better than nothing, to be sure, and if Xerox had adopted this license back in 1980 maybe we wouldn't even be talking about free software today. But FUTO still maintains some control over what your fork can and cannot do, which violates freedom 1. I don't have a strong opinion on whether this licensing approach is right or wrong, I just…

i was unaware that there was a free software definition of fork. for me fork is a technical term that is used to indicate that the forked codebase is going to be developed with a different goal than the original. which license the code has, and what the limitations of that license are, is not relevant for it to be a fork. i can make a fork of a closed source application if i have the code and the legal right to it (which i might have because i paid the owner for that right)

FUTO is not xerox. and i disagree that xerox is responsible for allowing free software to be developed. furthermore, the right to commercial exploitation is not what drove the idea of free software. commercial exploitation was necessary because otherwise selling tapes and other media with free software on them would not have been possible. today where distribution of software can be done pretty much without any cost at all, this right is no longer needed in just to be able to fork and distribute an application.

it is only needed if i want to be able to commercially exploit the changes i make to the application. this is where free software and these new source available licenses diverge. and this divergence is the entire point of these new licenses.

also historically there used to be an active community of the development of non-commercial software. many MUDs for example had a non-commercial license and each one of them was forked many times over.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by [deleted] »

koen31 wrote: post #260
bisby wrote: post #190

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In both modes it creates a ~/Grayjay directory, even when launching from ~/tmp/grayjay/Grayjay.Desktop-linux-x64-v2/ so ~/Grayjay was inevitable. In portable mode it makes the directory and does nothing with it. In non-portable mode it dumps a ton of data into the directory. I didn't pay attention to what the data actually was. So yes you're probably right. But either way, Portable mode isn't behaving portably becaus…

Grayjay dev here, empty dir is definitely not intended and has been written down on the issue list.

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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by jraph »

j1elo wrote: post #234
xmcqdpt2 wrote: post #230

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You can take a copy of Debian and resell it or put it in a product and sell that. That’s a pretty important freedom of free software.

And Debian is OK with that, because Debian is not a for-profit company that paid it's developers money to make a product, thus they don't care that others get it and resell it. For a company, the product itself, what makes money, cannot be OSS, as it makes its resell value effectively zero. If the software was OSS, then the software is _not_ the product, but added values are (support, consulting, etc... the classic t…

> For a company, the product itself, what makes money, cannot be OSS

It can. I work for XWiki SAS, and we sell some extensions under LGPL at store.xwiki.com. And it works, people and especially companies, choose convenience over installing the tools to compile and install the extensions themselves. It works because it's usual and easy to understand for companies to pay for software, and way easier to justify than donations to sponsor free software.

There are also several open source Android or iOS apps that you can buy. OSMAnd+, Conversations, DAVx⁵, Amaze Tools, Fair apps and are/were examples of this

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