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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by vultour »

bottled_poe wrote: post #222
jillyboel wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This tech is cute but the only viable outcomes are going to be porn and mass produced slop that'll be uninteresting before it's even created. Why even bother?

Comments like this one are so predictable and incredulous. As if the current state of the art is the final form of this technology. This is just getting started. Big facepalm.

The most predictable comment is yours, especially since you completely missed the point of the original comment which had nothing to do with the video quality.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by Kelteseth »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #256
Kelteseth wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and why they hate X and other freer media sources I left X precisely because it was flooded with Russian propaganda/misinformation.

Such as?

Nonsense like:

- People were 'forced' into vaccinations

- Covid 19 was a testing ground for the next global pandemic so that "they" can control us

- Climate change is a hoax/Renewables are our doom

- Everything our government does is to create a totalitarian state next.

- Putin is actually the victim, it is all NATO fault and their imperialism

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by sashank_1509 »

yurylifshits wrote: post #163
simonw wrote: post #131

I got access to the preview, here's what it gave me for "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" - this video has all four versions shown: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2024/pelicans-on-bic... Of the four two were a pelican riding a bicycle. One was a pelican just running along the road, one was a pelican perched on a stationary bicycle, and one had the pelican wearing a weird…

There's another important contender in the space: Hunyuan model from Tencent My company (Nim) is hosting Hunyuan model, so here's a quick test (first attempt) at "pelican riding a bycicle" via Hunyuan on Nim: https://nim.video/explore/OGs4EM3MIpW8 I think it's as good, if not better than Sora / Veo

Hard to say about SORA but the video you shared is most definitely worse than Veo.

The Pelican is doing some weird flying motion, motion blur is hiding a lack of detail, cycle is moving fast so background is blurred etc. I would even say SORA is better because I like the slow-motion and detail but it did do something very non physical.

Veo is clearly the best in this example. It has high detail but also feels the most physically grounded among the examples.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by ImHereToVote »

Kelteseth wrote: post #262
ImHereToVote wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

Nonsense like: - People were 'forced' into vaccinations - Covid 19 was a testing ground for the next global pandemic so that "they" can control us - Climate change is a hoax/Renewables are our doom - Everything our government does is to create a totalitarian state next. - Putin is actually the victim, it is all NATO fault and their imperialism

Why is it impossible for these opinions to be homegrown? Would people be a hivemind without Putin?

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by echelon »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #189
yurylifshits wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another important contender in the space: Hunyuan model from Tencent My company (Nim) is hosting Hunyuan model, so here's a quick test (first attempt) at "pelican riding a bycicle" via Hunyuan on Nim: https://nim.video/explore/OGs4EM3MIpW8 I think it's as good, if not better than Sora / Veo

Reddit says it is much better than Sora. Are you hosting the full version of Nunyuan? (Your video looks great.)

HunYuan is also open source / source available unless you have 100M DAU.

Then there's Lightricks LTX-1 model and Genmo's Mochi-1. Even the research CogVideoX is making progress.

Open source video AI is just getting started, but it's off to a strong start.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by ks2048 »

0xcb0 wrote: post #206

Imho is stunning, yet what is happening there is super dangerous. These videos will and may be too realistic. Our society is not prepared for this kind of reality "bending" media. These hyperrealistic videos will be the reason for hate and murder. Evil actors will use it to influence elections on a global scale. Create cults around virtual characters. Deny the rules of physics and human reason. And yet, there is no w…

Are Apple and other phone/camera makers working on ways to "sign" a video to say it's an unedited video from a camera? Does this exist now? Is it possible?

I'm thinking of simple cryptographic signing of a file, rather than embedding watermarks into the content, but that's another option.

I don't think it will solve the fake video onslaught, but it could help.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by andybak »

jillyboel wrote: post #215
simonw wrote: post #131

I got access to the preview, here's what it gave me for "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" - this video has all four versions shown: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2024/pelicans-on-bic... Of the four two were a pelican riding a bicycle. One was a pelican just running along the road, one was a pelican perched on a stationary bicycle, and one had the pelican wearing a weird…

This tech is cute but the only viable outcomes are going to be porn and mass produced slop that'll be uninteresting before it's even created. Why even bother?

There will be both of those things in abundance.

But I'm also seeing some genuinely creative uses of generative video - stuff I could argue has got some genuine creative validity. I am loathe to dismiss an entire technique because it is mostly used to create garbage.

We'll have to figure out how to solve the slop problem - it was already an issues before AI so maybe this is just hastening the inevevitable.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by 0_____0 »

tim333 wrote: post #207
simonw wrote: post #131

I got access to the preview, here's what it gave me for "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" - this video has all four versions shown: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2024/pelicans-on-bic... Of the four two were a pelican riding a bicycle. One was a pelican just running along the road, one was a pelican perched on a stationary bicycle, and one had the pelican wearing a weird…

Here's one of a penguin paragliding and it's surprisingly realistic https://x.com/Plinz/status/1868885955597549624

This is the first GenAI video to produce an "oh shit" reflex in me.

oh, shit!

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

chrismorgan wrote: post #208
yurylifshits wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another important contender in the space: Hunyuan model from Tencent My company (Nim) is hosting Hunyuan model, so here's a quick test (first attempt) at "pelican riding a bycicle" via Hunyuan on Nim: https://nim.video/explore/OGs4EM3MIpW8 I think it's as good, if not better than Sora / Veo

> A whimsical pelican, adorned in oversized sunglasses and a vibrant, patterned scarf, gracefully balances on a vintage bicycle, its sleek feathers glistening in the sunlight. As it pedals joyfully down a scenic coastal path, colorful wildflowers sway gently in the breeze, and azure waves crash rhythmically against the shore. The pelican occasionally flaps its wings, adding a playful touch to its enchanting ride. In…

If Sora is anything like Dall-e a prompt like "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" will be extended into something like the longer prompt behind the scenes. OpenAI has been augmenting image prompts from day 1.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by ferguu_ »

jnwatson wrote: post #238
ferguu_ wrote: post #225

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I hope they're right. If the technology improves to such a degree that meaningful content can be produced then it could spell global disaster for a number of reasons. Also I just don't want to live in a world where the things we watch just aren't real. I want to be able to trust what I see, and see the human-ness in it. I'm aware that these things can co-exist, but I'm also becoming increasingly aware that as long as…

That ship sailed shortly after the invention of photography. Photos were altered for political purposes during the US Civil War. Now, we have entire TV shows shot on green screen in virtual sets. Replacing all the actors is just the next logical step.

That's exactly what I mean, all of those methods take some human effort, there is a human involved in the process. Now we face a reality that it might take no human effort to do... well, anything. Which is terrifying to me.

I do believe that humans are restless, and even when there is no longer any point to create, and it is far easier to dictate, we still will, just because we are too driven not to.

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