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Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by Dachande663 »

winrid wrote: post #164
Dachande663 wrote: post #162

Semi-related but I needed a CAPTCHA on my site[0] mainly to block comment form spam and settled on repurposing a fun method I’d seen before. Is definitely not foolproof (or hard at all), but I really liked making it. [0] https://www.hybridlogic.co.uk/contact

It says I've been blocked when I try to view that. Not on a VPN.

The site runs off of a tiny little server at home so I’ve got some very aggressive firewall rules. Anything from the usual bad countries, certain signatures etc are blocked. Reduced traffic to 1% of previous load.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by gosub100 »

antirez wrote: post #13

Appropriate response by 4Chan to this: simplify the human work given that anyway it's simple to solve via NNs. We are at a point where designing very hard captchas has high probabilities to increase the human annoyance without decreasing the machine solvability.

"Drag each symbol to the group that is most likely to be offended by it."

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Philpax wrote: post #159
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jokes aside, we don't want any bots at all. Even if they're posting constructive comments, we should interact with humans, not machines

In the interest of provoking discussion: why? If a bot can meaningfully pass and act as a productive member of the community, what does it matter?

Because some of us go to sites like 4chan in order to learn what people really think. We want to see how they react and what they say when they are protected from consequences by the anonymous nature of the forum. We want the full spectrum of humanity, good and bad.

The opinions of bots are not just irrelevant, they are a form of consensus creation attack. They make it seem like a lot of people have an opinion when the reality might be the opposite. We are not interested in the made up realities that people pay bot operators to create. We want the truth, and the truth comes from real humans expressing their real unfiltered thoughts.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by [deleted] »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #263
Philpax wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the interest of provoking discussion: why? If a bot can meaningfully pass and act as a productive member of the community, what does it matter?

Because some of us go to sites like 4chan in order to learn what people really think. We want to see how they react and what they say when they are protected from consequences by the anonymous nature of the forum. We want the full spectrum of humanity, good and bad. The opinions of bots are not just irrelevant, they are a form of consensus creation attack. They make it seem like a lot of people have an opinion when t…

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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by xp84 »

IWeldMelons wrote: post #228
brookst wrote: post #223

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It’s very easy to opine about the ethics others should have. Different when it’s you and your family and a comparatively easy effort will make a material difference in quality of life. And especially when you know ghe market need will be met by someone else anyway.

If someone is making a brazen statement of being "a bad guy because 80K is not enough, and could not find anything decent for those extra $30K" what kind of treatment would they expect?

I’d argue that someone cracking CAPTCHAs has a lot less dirty hands than someone who works in an actually scummy industry like US health insurance. Those companies literally kill people by denying them care to pinch pennies. This guy might cause a little more spam on the already useless mess that is YouTube comments. Who cares. I’d take the money, too.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by IWeldMelons »

xp84 wrote: post #265
IWeldMelons wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone is making a brazen statement of being "a bad guy because 80K is not enough, and could not find anything decent for those extra $30K" what kind of treatment would they expect?

I’d argue that someone cracking CAPTCHAs has a lot less dirty hands than someone who works in an actually scummy industry like US health insurance. Those companies literally kill people by denying them care to pinch pennies. This guy might cause a little more spam on the already useless mess that is YouTube comments. Who cares. I’d take the money, too.

Typical US-centric way of thinking. If your healthcare system is crippled it does not justify making internet mess for everyone else in the world.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by fragmede »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #263
Philpax wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the interest of provoking discussion: why? If a bot can meaningfully pass and act as a productive member of the community, what does it matter?

Because some of us go to sites like 4chan in order to learn what people really think. We want to see how they react and what they say when they are protected from consequences by the anonymous nature of the forum. We want the full spectrum of humanity, good and bad. The opinions of bots are not just irrelevant, they are a form of consensus creation attack. They make it seem like a lot of people have an opinion when t…

It's nice to want things. The people paying expensive programmers for bot armies to parrot their thoughts are currently paying cheaper humans sitting at a bank of beheaded cellphones to parrot amplify their thoughts instead. You're being lied to, regardless, the only difference is if it's a shell script to do the lying or a paycheck to a human to do the lying.

Who's driving phone farm?

https://www.some3c.com/blogs/news/unified-control-20-pcs-pho...

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by lostlogin »

Jerrrry wrote: post #235
HeckFeck wrote: post #229

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So you get a bit richer for less effort... but how do you think moderating legions of spam posts affects the lives of independent website owners, who just want to create communities around the things they love? Or indeed the users, who have to wade through trash invading their threads? Or other legitimate users, who now have to answer captchas from CloudFlare just to access their favourite websites? Ultimately this i…

Hard to think anyone who can't solve a captcha is something other than a parasite. Parasites can solve captchas, people with accessibility issues and the poorest of people are the one being locked out.

It isn’t just those with accessibility problems that get stuck. Some are stupidly difficult- I’ve given up on one in recent times.

Maybe my disability is CAPTCHA blindness.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by lostlogin »

xp84 wrote: post #265
IWeldMelons wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone is making a brazen statement of being "a bad guy because 80K is not enough, and could not find anything decent for those extra $30K" what kind of treatment would they expect?

I’d argue that someone cracking CAPTCHAs has a lot less dirty hands than someone who works in an actually scummy industry like US health insurance. Those companies literally kill people by denying them care to pinch pennies. This guy might cause a little more spam on the already useless mess that is YouTube comments. Who cares. I’d take the money, too.

I’d have suggested adtech before health insurers.
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