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Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by alxlaz »

GJim wrote: post #249
alxlaz wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The word recall sort of implies that the vehicle is recalled to the manufacturer. It does not, no more than gaslighting implies lighting a gas lamp or the phrase crossing the Rubicon implies actually crossing a river in Italy, in any case. It hasn't meant anything of that sort since the mid-sixties. Recall is what legislation requires you to call it if something is unsafe for public use and it has to be withdrawn f…

Once again, an intelligent post such as yours has been lazily downvoted simply because somebody doesn't agree with it, and they can't be arsed composing a coherent rebuttable. This leads to unpopular ideas being buried, groupthink and a lack of intelligent discourse..... ....And yes, this IS leading to this place becoming more and more Reddit like (no, that isn't a tired cliché, no matter what the FAQs claim). Downvo…

> Downvoting needs to be reserved for comments that detract from the conversation.

I understand where you're coming from but truth is a post like that one does detract from the usual excusemaking conversation that some companies enjoy here, so I'm not surprised it was downvoted :-). It's one of the many ways in which karma points killed online discourse. I just happen to be old enough to have racked up a lot of pre-karma posting (including, of course, flamewars, what would life be without spice?) so downvotes don't really register on my radar.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

refulgentis wrote: post #143
qwerpy wrote: post #82

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So is the media sensationalist, or what I need to read to understand the media was sensationalist? :) (sorry, I'm just cranky about Duh Media characterization in general. there's a wide set of experiences in this world, and its not nefarious to describe some of them!)

My two cents from a disinterested party:

Media sensationalism is a thing, and a thing that's growing (in order to compete for attention) and a thing that doesn't like Elon Musk for various reasons, some worthy, some not.

One internet-person's anecdote is not trustworthy in and of itself.

"The media" as a single mass is of equivalent trustworthiness to one internet-person's anecdote. Some media outlets are more trustworthy than others.

Take the media reports and individual anecdotes as data points to form ones own opinion.

If one person has a good experience, then they'll generally disregard "media reports" as sensationalism that, sensationally or otherwise, announce the opposite.

Hmmmm. Reading that back, I'm taking the side of Duh Media characterization. I guess that's where I've landed. But I don't feel like I'm a declarer of "fake news" for every headline I disagree with. Hmmmm.

This has ended up being a conversation with myself, sorry.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

hot_gril wrote: post #169
elmerfud wrote: post #20

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To each their own on this matter because styling is a matter of taste. I remember the shift from the '70s style boxy cars to the mid to late '80s rounded style cars. I wasn't a fan of that new style when it came out but it did eventually grow on me. For me the cybertruck looks like something out of a low budget'70s Sci-Fi movie. Who knows in 10 years maybe it will start to appeal to me but for right now it doesn't.

Nah, it's objectively not good-looking, and in a few years it'll be more obvious. There are probably more than 0 people who still genuinely think the Pontiac Aztek looks good, and they're wrong.

I just appreciate your post because you start objectively incorrectly and just lean further into it (intentionally, I believe).

I laughed, it was worth it.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by p_l »

masklinn wrote: post #177
GordonS wrote: post #156

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AFAIK these monstrosities are not road-legal in Europe, so you're unlikely to see them.

Sadly there are already multiple. I think there’s one in Poland because their standards are low and negotiable, iirc there was one in or near Austria as well? Saying that I’m not up to snuff with type approval is an understatement but I think for imports there‘a probably ways to play silly buggers with temp plates if you have the money. But if you’re the sort of persons who decides to import a cybertruck to the eu I…

In Poland, cybertruck as currently sold is at the very edge of acceptable mass for B-class driver license (aka the "normal" car driver license, not truck one).

However that comes with addendum that you need to have that license for at least two years before driving one, because its based on the exception that allows maximum mass to go from 3500 kg to 4250 kg if the car has alternative fuel drive system, an exception added among other things for electric cars which can add 500kg in just batteries over internal combustion ones.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by chimprich »

71bw wrote: post #224
tene80i wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually referring to the financial institutions who backed the takeover writing off ~75% of the value of their investment in the platform during Musk’s leadership, which predates the recent Bluesky enthusiasm. But since you mention it: yes, a vocal minority of leftists moving to a new platform is indeed a decline! Get your politics out of it and think about what it means for a business. Part of twitter’s value…

>I was actually referring to the financial institutions who backed the takeover writing off ~75% of the value of their investment in the platform during Musk’s leadership, which predates the recent Bluesky enthusiasm. Makes sense. Valid argument. >yes, a vocal minority of leftists moving to a new platform is indeed a decline! Get your politics out of it and think about what it means for a business. Nothing. They will…

> There still isn't. Bsky is no competition in that regard. There's nothing of value for 'normal' people there.

I'm finding Bluesky a perfect Twitter replacement so far. Twitter was becoming a cesspool; an increasingly rancid algorithm that promoted one particular person's politics, and a lack of moderation that meant many conversations just degenerated into abuse.

> How many of these supposed giant exoduses were we supposed to have by now?

All platforms eventually get superseded.

Twitter only thrived over competitors because of the network effect. Other platforms were technically superior / had better QoL, but either had flaws or didn't achieve critical mass.

Bluesky is different. It's as easy to use for the average person, gives more control to the user, is far more civil, and is now big enough already be a replacement.

Almost all the people I was following on Twitter are now posting on there. I followed a lot of scientists, and many have moved entirely. That fewer people are on Bluesky is a feature, not a bug; the signal to noise is more distilled.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

ikari_pl wrote: post #227
bryanlarsen wrote: post #225

Would you expect anything different from a brand new product? It's like version 1.0 of any software. Wait until at least 1.1 and let someone else shake it down. It reminds me of the Chevy Bolt. Fabulous car, after all the recalls.

it's not their first car

Is that directed at Chevy or Tesla?

Either way, it's true for both.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

at_a_remove wrote: post #216

I recently saw one painted primer black and immediately felt like going home so I could watch Johnny Mnemonic . It appears to be a triumph of aesthetic over function, needing only EL-wire underlighting to look like it escaped from the Tron storyboards and into low-poly life. I could only wonder if the entertainment system comes with a hidden Sirius/XM channel that only plays vaporwave music.

Man. Johnny Mnemonic. I get the urge to rewatch that movie once every three of for years, and I'm reminded of it's awful greatness. Like Hackers.

Need more William Gibson movies. I'm incredibly disappointed that The Peripheral was cancelled.

Re: Cybertruck's Many Recalls

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Post by masklinn »

p_l wrote: post #264
masklinn wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly there are already multiple. I think there’s one in Poland because their standards are low and negotiable, iirc there was one in or near Austria as well? Saying that I’m not up to snuff with type approval is an understatement but I think for imports there‘a probably ways to play silly buggers with temp plates if you have the money. But if you’re the sort of persons who decides to import a cybertruck to the eu I…

In Poland, cybertruck as currently sold is at the very edge of acceptable mass for B-class driver license (aka the "normal" car driver license, not truck one). However that comes with addendum that you need to have that license for at least two years before driving one, because its based on the exception that allows maximum mass to go from 3500 kg to 4250 kg if the car has alternative fuel drive system , an exception…

That part is for some and eventually all of the EU: since 2018 member states can allow B licenses to drive EVs (or hydrogen) up to 4250kg, and parliament passed that as law back in February 2024. So the states which didn’t already add this allowance will have to in the future.

The C1 and C1E license were modified similarly, although they trigger after 3 years.

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