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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by giantg2 »

weaksauce wrote: post #140
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have already announced what they are going to do, with the pro-Trump side saying he's not serious or will mellow out the plan before he takes office, and the anti-Trump side saying he will do exactly what he says he's going to do. Basically a repeat of 2016.

not a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.

He had both chambers in 2016 too, on similarly narrow majorities. The hiring has consistently been for allegiance. The court has changed a little. One thing you don't mention that is perhaps the biggest thing is temperance for reelection. But overall, I don't see much reason that it will be that much different from last time. Talking about things being much worse seems like an emotional statement.

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Post by exe34 »

stetrain wrote: post #224
weaksauce wrote: post #140

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not a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

MBCook wrote: post #165
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

We’ve had them in office before, plus plenty of public statements over the last 10 years. It’s not exactly baseless speculation. People have things to base their guesses on.

Being right or wrong is often irrelevant to the question of “does it belong on HN?”

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by chaffeurmode »

MBCook wrote: post #210
mattlondon wrote: post #6

> Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.” ... implication being that Tesla drivers are more likely to be driving like pricks and/or under the influence? I wonder what the rates are like for specific models from other brands that…

> ... implication being that Tesla drivers are more likely to be driving like pricks and/or under the influence? Or perhaps the large amount of power available instantly makes it easier to get into dangerous situations than an equivalent to combustion engine car. And as the largest EV brand with the most data available… they really stand out.

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by giantg2 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

They have already announced what they are going to do, with the pro-Trump side saying he's not serious or will mellow out the plan before he takes office, and the anti-Trump side saying he will do exactly what he says he's going to do. Basically a repeat of 2016.

It always falls in the middle. There's a reason politicians are known as liars. Of course they won't do everything they claim on the campaign trail.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by postmeta »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #152

How does iSeeCars (who did the study) know how many miles were driven by each brand's cars? It says they have a database of cars, but do we know whether it's an unbiased sample?

exactly, we should ask Karl Brauer to cite his sources and explain his methodology

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Post by Alupis »

MBCook wrote: post #165
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

We’ve had them in office before, plus plenty of public statements over the last 10 years. It’s not exactly baseless speculation. People have things to base their guesses on.

Let's not pretend everyone is aghast at the goals of this administration. We just had an election and these viewpoints resoundingly won the day.

A non-trivial component to this election was this constant, smug nagging. "We know better, you're all so stupid".

If you turn out to be right, enjoy your smug "I told you so", but until then - these views are a minority and are very tiring to constantly see/hear/read.

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Post by IAmNotACellist »

jiggawatts wrote: post #247
IAmNotACellist wrote: post #228

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So the Tesla Model Y has a lower fatal accident rate than sports cars, but they report it as Tesla overall having the highest fatal accident rate? Perhaps that's because _all_ the cars they make are stupid fast and heavy, and they don't offer cars where it's far harder to get into those situations?

I wonder if it’s because there’s more passengers per model Y on average than a two-door sports car! One fatal model Y accident might cause half a dozen gas fatalities, but a Porsche wrapped around a tree might kill just the lone driver.

Good point too. Things that the authors should've thought about.

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Post by yarg »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #238
hagbard_c wrote: post #188

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You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorab…

Hacker News' eventual death started the moment it joined the hysteria over the Lab Leak Theory. Since then it has trended more and more to be like Reddit, with ideological tribal concerns occupying an increasingly large mindshare. This drives away people who want to have earnest conversations in good faith, giving even more power to the ideologues. It will be a long death spiral but you can see it happening day by da…

The idea that the novel coronavirus didn't escape from the local coronavirus R&D laboratory never had anywhere near enough evidence to be credible.

It was pretty much the WHO simply repeating the claims of the Chinese government, who had already tried to cover up the outbreak (with any warnings sent to the WHO coming from Taiwan instead).

It was about as believable as the completely baseless claims that the emergency use authorised vaccine was safe and effective.

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

agumonkey wrote: post #137
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

I'm also jaded by the constant snark I/we have to resort to to cope and disconnect from the insanity that is today's world

I’m glad you used the word snark since that exact word in the HN guidelines

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

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