Interview with gwern

Post by Vecr » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 6:18 PM UTC

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"Wordcel" is roon terminology, right? I highly doubt Aschenbrenner is an EA, and if he's a "wordcel" he somehow managed to do mathematical economics without too much problem. Gwern's probably not a "wordcel" either, he can program, right? I've never seen any of his publications though. It's called Situational Awareness too, not "Situation Report", and Yudkowsky said he didn't like it. Not that Yudkowsky is an EA eith…

I didn't claim Gwern was a wordcel. He's clearly not. Dwarkesh, yes. I didn't claim Yudkowsky was an EA. He's not. He's a rationalist who originated many thoughts about AI doom, which have influenced EAs. Look, Gwern and Dwarkesh and Yud are all AI doomers, which is where the rationalists and the EAs overlap. Gwern is all over LessWrong, which kind of springs out of the rationalist community and has all sorts of EAs…

I still don't have a list, but are you sure that's not an affectation to better mimic a combination of Atlas Shrugged and a Japanese light novel?

Post by throw05678931 » Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 10:38 PM UTC

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throw05678931 wrote: post #249

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I didn't claim Gwern was a wordcel. He's clearly not. Dwarkesh, yes. I didn't claim Yudkowsky was an EA. He's not. He's a rationalist who originated many thoughts about AI doom, which have influenced EAs. Look, Gwern and Dwarkesh and Yud are all AI doomers, which is where the rationalists and the EAs overlap. Gwern is all over LessWrong, which kind of springs out of the rationalist community and has all sorts of EAs…

I still don't have a list, but are you sure that's not an affectation to better mimic a combination of Atlas Shrugged and a Japanese light novel?

If affectation requires insincerity, I actually don't think Yud is insincere, at least not about his core beliefs. Do I believe it's a poorly wrought novel of ideas that fails to achieve a respectable aesthetic end? Yes. There are many ways to craft a novel of ideas and not all of them involve inflicting pain on scantily clad heroines. These are choices Yud made for the book, which coincidentally echo non-mainstream choices he has made for his lifestyle over the years.

https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B00J6XXP9K/allbooks

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