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Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

There's also waiting 1-2 minutes for green light on a pedestrian semaphore while the street is entirely empty of cars. If no cops are in sight I definitely cross the street. Usually one or two people get encouraged and also cross but there's always the sticklers who would wait the end of the world if not given the green light.

> There's also waiting 1-2 minutes for green light on a pedestrian semaphore while the street is entirely empty of cars.

That's the way it works in Belgium: you wait sorry-out-of-luck for two minutes. Needless to say I've been raised (by myself) a jaywalker.. In neighboring Luxembourg you have the exact same traffic light, obviously built and sold by the very same company, looking identical except that the traffic light poles in Luxembourg have a button which pedestrian do press. And if there's no traffic, it becomes instantly green for the pedestrian. Actually even if there are cars, it'll very quickly turn green for pedestrians.

As a sidenote it is obviously safer to cross a street even though the signal is red for you while there are zero cars than to cross that same street when the signal is green for you and an incoming car is slowing down. I mean, I know, it's my right and the car should eventually stop. But I don't give a flying fuck about rights and fatality and rules if the car hits me.

I'll never stop jaywalking.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes yes, the person outside of a car must provide deference to the car owner. Poor people serve the rich.

If you have a point you can feel free to make a point instead on snidely putting words in someone else's mouth. And where exactly do you live where only rich people drive cars?

Reddit tells everyone that only rich people drives cars.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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As far as I know, NYC is unique in that pedestrians do not have the right of way. Everywhere else you must legally stop for a pedestrian but in NYC you don't. (edit, since people seem confused: This doesn't mean you can run them over. It just means you don't have to stop if you are going to block their path. Everywhere else, you have to stop if you are going to block a pedestrian's path, no matter where that pedestri…

There was a law passed in NYC a couple of years ago requiring drivers not to enter a crosswalk if pedestrians are in a crosswalk. I have no clue what you're talking about.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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post #212

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

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I'm glad it hasn't happened to you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/IpRmakQfM7

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

well, well, I'm not the best driver. almost hit one idiot in the dark. take it as a warning..

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

#266

Let's not forget that jaywalking was essentially created by the automotive industry and its lobbyists, to make life more convenient for drivers. It started in car-heavy places like California, and eventually became a law virtually everywhere in the US, but was never really enforced in New York City, where most people walk or take public transit, rather than drive. If, like most New Yorkers, you walk several kilometer…

>New Yorkers don't have a concept of "jaywalking"; it's just "walking." It's also not a word in the German language at all, it's just "crossing the road". If you do it safely grate, if you don't not grate and if there are children nearby unsafe road crossing is really something you shouldn't do, especially it it's just because you are to lazy to walk a small bit more (I think crossing a road close by a pedestrian cro…

Great

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

#267

Let's not forget that jaywalking was essentially created by the automotive industry and its lobbyists, to make life more convenient for drivers. It started in car-heavy places like California, and eventually became a law virtually everywhere in the US, but was never really enforced in New York City, where most people walk or take public transit, rather than drive. If, like most New Yorkers, you walk several kilometer…

In Vienna, which has very good public transport and a large walking population, there is a strong culture against jaywalking. Locals will wait at the crosswalk sign even on minor roads with no traffic. Having lived in New York, London, and other places, I've never seen anything like it.

I saw the same thing in not quite 'rural' Czechia, but definitely not Prague.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

#268

Let's not forget that jaywalking was essentially created by the automotive industry and its lobbyists, to make life more convenient for drivers. It started in car-heavy places like California, and eventually became a law virtually everywhere in the US, but was never really enforced in New York City, where most people walk or take public transit, rather than drive. If, like most New Yorkers, you walk several kilometer…

In Vienna, which has very good public transport and a large walking population, there is a strong culture against jaywalking. Locals will wait at the crosswalk sign even on minor roads with no traffic. Having lived in New York, London, and other places, I've never seen anything like it.

I noticed that. But people are very regimental there.

It's a bit strange though because the city doesn't even have that many cars and usually it's pretty safe to just look both ways.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. "Walking while black" Recently saw a courtroom video where a black man was being charged with marijuana possession. The reason for the initial stop was jaywalking, but the cop didn't even ticket him for the jaywalking, just used it as a justification for p…

Oregon is the most pro drug state in the country. Of course that’s the case here. We see folks trying to take away the progress we made here. My county is trying to ban shroom companies. Very sad.

Yeah, and some of those pro-drug laws are likely going to be walked back.

To be honest, I'm not sure what has actually been happening. People claim hardcore drug (ie, cocaine, meth, etc., NOT marijuana) use has gotten worse, but I don't know if it's actually backed up by statistics.

I've always believed that drug possession and use should not be illegal, but that rehab programs should be well-funded and free, and only distribution of drugs should be criminal. Addicts are victims that need help, while sellers are enablers.

I get the impression that the decriminalization happened without the adequate health services to help people. Alternatively, many addicts simply don't want help.

But I openly admit that these opinions are based on feelings, and I don't know if drug use and the associated problems increased.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

#270

Let's not forget that jaywalking was essentially created by the automotive industry and its lobbyists, to make life more convenient for drivers. It started in car-heavy places like California, and eventually became a law virtually everywhere in the US, but was never really enforced in New York City, where most people walk or take public transit, rather than drive. If, like most New Yorkers, you walk several kilometer…

>like most New Yorkers, you walk several kilometers a day I don't think I can take this claim for granted.

I think so. I live in a fairly big city and it's the same here. Excellent public transport, not so many cars around. Walking to the subway station is already 600m. Inside the subway system one can walk a lot for connecting lines. Even if I did have a car it would be a few blocks away in some parking garage. It's not like we have car ports or driveways here.
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