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Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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Does McD's still use these machines today? It seems like this has been going on for decades, more than long enough that pretty much everyone seems to know about it. I would have guessed that by now McD's would want to move on to a new setup that did not cause them such consistent negative PR and leave a trail of unhappy customers.

McDonalds owns the company that makes and fixes these machines, and franchise owners foot the bill. It's a way of taking more money from franchise owners.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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15%?! Is this a uniquely American thing because I can’t remember ever having a “sorry our machine is down” in Ontario.

It correlates with demand. These things go down quickly during peak demand because they can't maintain cold temps. You'll often see this during summer heatwaves as people flock to drive-thrus to grab some ice cream!

I’ve never come across a broken McDonald’s ice cream machine in Australia either.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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I didn't see the OP campaigning, just stating fact. People vote against their personal interests when convinced to do so. I don't think that's a particularly controversial statement.

It is the height of arrogance to assume that someone is so dumb that they don't even know what their interests are. I have my interests. Some are satisfied by the Democrats. Some are satisfied by the Republicans. Some are satisfied by both. Some are satisfied by neither. My vote goes to the person who best satisfies my most important interests at the time. Sometimes I have to eat shit in doing so, but that's politics…

Tell me more about arrogance, like it's not arrogance and maybe even hubris for someone to assert they just naturally know their interests and how they interact with various policies (much less how parties are going to show up to support them).

It's not that someone is dumb if they sometimes don't know their own interests. It's that it's a hard problem that even smart people can fail at. Maybe especially smart people who don't appreciate that it's a hard problem and perhaps even are prone to confuse failure with stupidity.

Those who appreciate the complexity of the various problem domains for social policy or even of the information environment wouldn't be the least surprised if they personally accidentally voted against their own interest.

And it's far from controversial that many people are much more likely to vote by connecting their values to impressions/symbols invoked by campaigns and parties than to dig in even at the policy white paper level and arrive at a carefully calculated cost/benefit analysis for each candidate.

Maybe you're an exception. Probably not, but maybe. What about most people? Well, if it's true in a 2024 presidential race "about their policies, Harris would win handily... because voters — whether they know it or not — overwhelmingly prefer the vice president’s agenda to the former president’s"[0] but also true that the race is a coin flip, that suggests some significant margin of people who are doing something else other than policy-interest calculations.

Meanwhile, back at the specific topic, almost nobody is campaigning on right to repair, so even among people who happen to be detailed interest calculators (whoever that may be), it'd be little surprise if as an issue it didn't figure strongly into how they considered their interests and cast their vote.

If this issue matters to you, consider that right-to-repair friendly interpretations of the law are where the civil servant / professional administrative / "deep state" has arrived at under the direction and staffing priorities of prevailing liberal order. Which, is, uh, not really the energy/vibe of one of the current candidates (and it's fairer to speak of energy/vibes than policies when it comes to him given how obvious it is that this is a guy who doesn't do homework and knows little policy other than personal advantage).

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/interactive/2024/tru...

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

#264

Does McD's still use these machines today? It seems like this has been going on for decades, more than long enough that pretty much everyone seems to know about it. I would have guessed that by now McD's would want to move on to a new setup that did not cause them such consistent negative PR and leave a trail of unhappy customers.

McDonalds owns the company that makes and fixes these machines, and franchise owners foot the bill. It's a way of taking more money from franchise owners.

They do not, this is disinformation. The machines are manufactured by Taylor for McDonald’s and maintained by Taylor’s service network.

Taylor’s the largest manufacturer of commercial ice cream making equipment in the US. Franchisees also have the option of using Carpigiani machines, but they’re Italian so parts and service are not as easy to come by. And all ice cream machines are known for being easy to break, especially if used by poorly trained teenagers.

This also makes no sense, if McDonald’s wanted to make more off the franchisees from ice cream, surely they’d rather do it by having the machines work (so they can sell product). They sell the mix that goes in the machine to the franchisees. It would be idiotic to try to gouge them by making the machine crappy rather than just charging them more for the mix and using a good machine. Then they wouldn’t need to employ these imaginary service techs and the franchisees would be happier with the situation.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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aww man dont tell people about sysco. Once you learn to spot unmodified sysco foods it's impossible to stop and the illusion of sitdown restaurants is tarnished forever.

What are good places to start down this rabbit hole? (for those willing to have their illusions tarnished? )

One option might be to visit your local Jetro or Restaurant Depot, if you live in the US. If Sysco has showrooms/open warehouses I’m not aware of them, but Jetro and RD are of a very similar ilk.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

#267

Does McD's still use these machines today? It seems like this has been going on for decades, more than long enough that pretty much everyone seems to know about it. I would have guessed that by now McD's would want to move on to a new setup that did not cause them such consistent negative PR and leave a trail of unhappy customers.

McDonalds owns the company that makes and fixes these machines, and franchise owners foot the bill. It's a way of taking more money from franchise owners.

That’s not correct. Taylor Company, who supply the notorious C602 ice cream machine to more than 13,000 McDonalds franchises, is owned by Middleby Corporation of Elgin, Illinois since 2018. Previously it was part of United Technologies’ climate & controls (Carrier) unit. [1]

Not all McDonalds use the Taylor machines. Some use machines from other manufacturers such as Carpigiani [2]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Company

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpigiani

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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In general, acidic or basic foods are very safe from bacterial contamination standpoint. Soda is very acidic (due to all that dissolved carbon dioxide). It's not that it doesn't get bacteria (they live everywhere), but it's unlikely to get pathogenic bacteria. This makes sense, a highly acidic environment is very different from a human body. That's why foods such as milk, ice cream, potato or egg salad, are the most…

Soda is not "very acidic", for the exception of coke, which has strong acid added to it. Carbonic acid is very weak, and won't prevent bacteria from growing.

Carbonic acid has a pH of around 4 in sodas. Stomach acid is 3. Both are enough to discourage bacterial growth.

It doesn't prevent _all_ bacteria, as I said. But it prevents most of pathogenic bacteria.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

#270

Does McD's still use these machines today? It seems like this has been going on for decades, more than long enough that pretty much everyone seems to know about it. I would have guessed that by now McD's would want to move on to a new setup that did not cause them such consistent negative PR and leave a trail of unhappy customers.

Yes. https://github.com/rashiq/mcbroken-archive
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