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Smartphone buyers meh on AI, care more about battery life

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Post by Syonyk »

jandrese wrote: post #229
NoboruWataya wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Based on the fact that easily 90+% of phones I see in the wild have cases on them, physical size and thickness isn't a big factor Well, people are probably going to put cases on their phone regardless, so the phone has to be thin enough that even with a case it's still a manageable size. But I agree that battery is where phones ultimately fail most of the time. I have had a Samsung S10 for a bit over 5 years now an…

IMHO the era of "we assume you're going to have a case on this" was cemented in place the instant the camera bump appeared. If you can't set you phone down on a service without it being all tippy thanks to the off center camera bump then you're clearly expected to stuff it into a case that is at least that thick.

Yup. I'd rather the phone be that much thicker, loaded with battery.

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Post by bluGill »

JohnMakin wrote: post #194
bluGill wrote: post #189

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Even if everything worked you should not be trying to do that while driving. Keep your attention on the road - you are in control of several tons of metal moving at deadly speeds. (don't sing a long with the radio either)

I'm unsure of your point. Are you arguing that issuing a verbal command to my voice assistant is not paying attention to the road? No more than talking to a passenger, really.

Yes. I'm arguing talking to a passenger is not something you should be doing either. You are in control of something deadly, not a video game or toy - act like it.

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Post by wruza »

dageshi wrote: post #34
brianshaler wrote: post #5

I'd rather have flagship specs in a smaller package. The smallest in the iPhone (SE) and Pixel ("A"?) lines are still too big and tend to have previous-gen specs

I've been hearing this sentiment for 10+ years, but it's been tried and each time it's tried it doesn't sell well enough.

Don’t produce it in the same volumes then?

Did you know that factories make less big-sized and small-sized shoes than average-sized ones? Because (surprise) buyers size distribution is not uniform.

“We tried to make big shoes many times and it doesn’t sell well enough”. Oh, really. I guess I’ll just cut holes for my fingers then.

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Post by KeytarHero »

nerdjon wrote: post #10

My opinion is that most of the real uses of AI (like ML has always been) will be largely hidden things that are LLM based but not screaming at your face "AI". Particularly once the bubble pops and money stops being shoved into things just sticking an LLM in a pretty package with little to no value. Some of the things coming in iOS like notification summaries and similar features are big examples. It's clearly LLM bas…

Exactly. Ask customers "do you want AI in your phone?" and their response will probably be "meh", as shown in the article. But ask "do you want notification summaries, a better camera in low light, Siri to be able to look up more things, searchable photos, etc?" - and they absolutely will.

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Post by dang »

scudsworth wrote: post #254
jonplackett wrote: post #125

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Thanks. That’s clearer! Ok my next comeback - people are treating AI tools like a musical instrument. It’s like picking up a guitar for the first time, twanging a few strings and saying ‘Nah, this sounds shit’. Guitars are useless. I’d never pay for a guitar. Even chatGPT has a learning curve. I save myself hours or days per day using it for all sorts of things. Anyone who says they can’t find a use for AI is just la…

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Post by SirMaster »

dageshi wrote: post #34
brianshaler wrote: post #5

I'd rather have flagship specs in a smaller package. The smallest in the iPhone (SE) and Pixel ("A"?) lines are still too big and tend to have previous-gen specs

I've been hearing this sentiment for 10+ years, but it's been tried and each time it's tried it doesn't sell well enough.

Just because the sentiment is a minority doesn't mean it's not an honest sentiment.

I also would love a smaller flagship spec'd phone.

I know it wont be popular, but I still want it.

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Post by galdosdi »

wruza wrote: post #263
dageshi wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been hearing this sentiment for 10+ years, but it's been tried and each time it's tried it doesn't sell well enough.

Don’t produce it in the same volumes then? Did you know that factories make less big-sized and small-sized shoes than average-sized ones? Because (surprise) buyers size distribution is not uniform. “We tried to make big shoes many times and it doesn’t sell well enough”. Oh, really. I guess I’ll just cut holes for my fingers then.

Maybe the fixed costs of a shoe factory production line, in 2024, with centuries of production experience, are lower than those of a top of the line smartphone.

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Post by x0x0 »

mattlondon wrote: post #234
x0x0 wrote: post #224

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Google photos search doesn't work well at all for me. Even things like "[my dog name] beach" isn't reliable. Or things like I use photos as notes. It doesn't reliably recall things like cheese when I take pictures of cheese in various stores to remember what is sold where. Not even the name of the cheese; just cheese. Ditto spices.

Don't use the name - "Mr Floppy at the beach" is meaningless, but "dog at a beach" will probably yield a lot more. I've found google photos search to be pretty good, and if it can't find something usually the map-mode is enough to pin it down (e.g. go to the beach where you took the photo and it shows you the photos from there)

Thanks for the suggestion.

I did just check, and "dog at beach" generates sub 20% recall for me. I go to the beach weekly with my dog, take lots of photos because I'm a dork, and that first query skips many weeks.

Also, I did add my dog as a known / named pet under the explore tab, which is why I thought the name should work.

I can make it work by picking out the beach via geo, but I think the whole thing illustrates how much better this could be. I'd like to be able to get responses to queries like

* [pet name] at [beach X]

* [pet name] with sand on face

* dead seal, or even just dead animal (pics on beach)

* seaglass (recall is poor there too until I manually added to a photo album)

* dent in car

* [spice name] (I take pics of spices to know which stores offer what)

etc etc. The only way I manage the thousands of photos I have now is by carefully sorting into hundreds of albums, which google also doesn't support well.

Amongst the many many deficiencies of the app (which, tbf, does work extremely well as a read-through cache and seems to back things up very well), it likes to surface spotlights of dead people and pets. Which is not at all what I want proactively surfaced.

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Post by unsignedint »

I’m all for AI—if it actually does something useful. But features like swiping to remove unwanted items or ensuring everyone smiles in a photo don’t count. For anything genuinely useful, I’d rather subscribe to an AI service separately than pay a premium to have it locked to my phone. I want access from my PC too.
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