Have to say that a lot of hacker news contributors really show their colors around events like this. This is a completely good thing to do and well past due.
Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
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Most of those emigrees have returned. Out of all people I personally know only two still live abroad, and only one of them has no plans to ever go back (but has not changed his passport because it's truly difficult). And saying "they could easily have emigrated" shows that you have zero touch with the common man. No, many people can't "simply leave" even if their profession is in demand. Edit: ah, I now see your othe…
It helps to think of these people as essentially Mao's Red Guards. They are (I hope) still very young and as a result very absolutist in their thinking. They are fanatical about their country being the best because they haven't seen or experienced much else. And they get a sense of power from belonging to what they think is the group of the People Who Are Always Right. Mao's Red Guards. Because these ducks quack like…
Keep projecting.
You’re insane, if you think that this is grey situation.
Vanishing empire invaded another country with intent to occupy and subjugate another. Expecting that one hand can rape, kill, steal while another participates just like nothing happened is psychopath mentality.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#263If you scroll down on the thread linked, someone mentions the reason isn't that the developers are Russian, but because their employers in Russia are sanctioned companies. I don't know if that's accurate, but seems feasible. If so I'm 100% behind it. It'd be nice to know the exact reasoning for this, rather than just see a commit without any context of why they're being removed. I'm pretty sure we'll know in due time…
Huawei is under same level of sanctions, but nobody with `xxx@huawei.com` is removed from Maintainers list. So, probably "sanctions" are not the reason.
Spying and invading are different things. Huawei can’t be under same level of sanctions by definition.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#264Probably the best thing that can happen to the kernel... this type of measure generally backfires spectacularly by giving talent the opportunity to thrive, if anything as a way to fight back against injustice and arbitrary decisions, or for sanctioned opposition to invest in resilience by dumping more money in things otherwise not consider a priority. I always thought Argentine music from the 80's and early 90s was l…
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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…
Such a blatant BS rationalization... The commit literally talks about "compliance". This is nothing more than an easy alternative to navigating the obscure sanctioning regime. It's like self-censorship, people/companies do this because of the fear that their activity may fall under sanctions, even though it highly likely does not. If your system relies on people being in "a free country with rights and ethics", then…
> After all, who decides which country is "free" and which is not?
Not being in active occupation war would be a good start.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Russian government could compel pretty much anyone in Russia to do anything with minimal actual cost to it. Governments in US and other democratic states would be risking a lot more if if other government agencies, courts, media etc. figure that out. Therefore as long as they are somewhat rational they are less likely to engage in something like that.
And who has paid any cost after Snowden's revelations?
How many people died to plutonium tea planted by CIA in Russia?
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…
I'm not saying the Russia invasion is not evil, but man, did you watch too many popcorn movies? How child play and naive you're thinking of politics. If Russia ever had that degree of power to control the behavior of its citizens, it would have already ruled the world. You can't even fully control a 5-person band and you're telling us that magically Russia is able to control millions of people, amongst which none of…
> You can't even fully control a 5-person band and you're telling us that magically Russia is able to control millions of people, amongst which none of them know justice or human rights enough to leak any info.
They’ve literally killed most powerful and influential opposition leader on open display. Use your brain, it’s not hard.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
>To this casual bystander it seems like they usually hurt innocent citizens far more than the leaders of the usually authoritarion regime that it targets. That's kinda the point. The common folk put pressure on their leaders to correct their behavior.
"Here, we'll hurt you so you'll go fight the guy who claims he's the only one protecting you from us." Has that strategy ever worked?
Russians had every opportunity to kick out nuclear gnome before sanctions kicked in, but alas.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
History is full of violent revolutions against autocratic governments. We should inflict maximum pain on the Russian populace. Be as cruel as possible. Keep the pressure on. Eventually it might pay off. And even if it doesn't work, it serves as an object lesson to other countries on the consequences of opposing US policies.
So, what you want is essentially pushing a whole country's population around for your own amusement? Very motivating, not gonna lie!
Buy a ticket to Ukraine right about now and ask Ukrainians how amused are they. And don’t forget to visit every country that had to take millions of refugees.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
And who has paid any cost after Snowden's revelations?
How many people died to plutonium tea planted by CIA in Russia?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22006446
A member of the House of Lords, Lord Lea, has written to the London Review of Books saying that shortly before she died, fellow peer and former MI6 officer Daphne Park told him Britain had been involved in the death of Patrice Lumumba, the elected leader of the Congo, in 1961.
When he asked her whether MI6 might have had something to do with it, he recalls her saying: "We did. I organised it."