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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by 3np »

vasco wrote: post #173
staplung wrote: post #151

The octopuses I spoke to strenuously deny the fish abuse accusations. "It's true that our innovative management technique - Continuous Tactile Feedback - can look a little rough to the untrained eye, but our Food Collection Engineers are actually very well treated."

Yes but I've read the reports in the Annals of Oceanography and the sub-director General of Fishing Affairs said it is happening and the only reason they haven't been able to pursue it is that the dolphins keep vetoing any real measures at every yearly convention. It's a bit of a fishy subject.

> fishy subject.

Get outta here with that specist language. It's 2024 ffs. Not all fish.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by jgwil2 »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #221
banannaise wrote: post #124

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While I'm all for a history lesson (and the double-I octopii is indeed simply incorrect) I take issue with anyone insisting that "octopi" is wrong: 1. Language is neither static nor a series of rules to be blindly followed. The way a word was pluralized 1400 years ago has limited relevance today. 2. As noted just about everywhere, "octopodes" looks insane in any modern English sentence because we don't pluralize any…

All my friends say “octopodes”. Some people on the internet keep saying that that's wrong; I find that very strange. > because we don't pluralize any other word that way. Certainly we do “platypodes”, “matrices”, “irides”, “clitorides” and “vortices”, are all quite common words.

Clitorides? Come on, your pulling our legs.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by Tool_of_Society »

pvaldes wrote: post #260
Tool_of_Society wrote: post #187

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In the one short video you do see what you want to see. Meanwhile the researchers have hundreds of hours into this... Probably shouldn't base your entire opinion of the study on a 17 second video or a fluff article. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-024-02525-2

> Probably shouldn't base your entire opinion of the study on a 17 second video or a fluff article. I comment based on what I have, and using my personal experience on the field. Experience based on decades of hard study. I had studied Cephalopods for more than 17 seconds, you can bet for it. If this is common behavior, don't you think that with all the scientists doing research on Cephalopods since Aristotle, and wi…

You're the foremost expert on cephalopods with decades of experience in the field yet can't be bothered to spend 10-15 minutes to scan the study. Got it.

Love how you keep capitalizing cephalopod like you just copy pasted it off a google search to get the proper spelling :P

Remember kids. Animals in captivity always behave exactly as they do in the wild. Also every individual is exactly the same so you never see any variation in behaviour regardless of inhabiting a wide range across multiple oceans.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by pvaldes »

Tool_of_Society wrote: post #264
pvaldes wrote: post #260

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> Probably shouldn't base your entire opinion of the study on a 17 second video or a fluff article. I comment based on what I have, and using my personal experience on the field. Experience based on decades of hard study. I had studied Cephalopods for more than 17 seconds, you can bet for it. If this is common behavior, don't you think that with all the scientists doing research on Cephalopods since Aristotle, and wi…

You're the foremost expert on cephalopods with decades of experience in the field yet can't be bothered to spend 10-15 minutes to scan the study. Got it. Love how you keep capitalizing cephalopod like you just copy pasted it off a google search to get the proper spelling :P Remember kids. Animals in captivity always behave exactly as they do in the wild. Also every individual is exactly the same so you never see any…

> Love how you keep capitalizing cephalopod like you just copy pasted it off a google search to get the proper spelling :P

Use Cephalopoda with uppercase 'C'. Problem fixed.

By the way, most people would say that the correct word is Google, with uppercase G. (I will not assume that you don't know how to use Google for that; it would be childish). In any case, yes, I check things in Google all the time, and you may want to do it also.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by joenot443 »

philipov wrote: post #140
joenot443 wrote: post #136

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This is what I would say. It does beg the question though, how’d we come up with the list of animals to pluralize like that? Why “five birds” but not “five deers?”

It raises the question - begging the question is something else. As for the question, it probably has to do with the gender of the noun. I bet 'deer' derives from a neuter-gendered word in Anglo-Saxon, while 'bird' does not. Noun gender is the system used by many languages to categorize words that have different declension rules. It's atrophied in English, but is implicitly still present in the various "inconsistenci…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question I actually had no idea about that distinction, appreciate it.

Noun gender makes a lot of sense.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by fuzztester »

yumraj wrote: post #256
fuzztester wrote: post #254

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hee hee x 8 x n. (n is the number of octopi, and 8 tentacles per octopus).

It’s sad that you thought you had to explain it.

Really?

It's even sadder that you felt the need to spend your precious time commenting on something you think is sad.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by Tool_of_Society »

pvaldes wrote: post #265
Tool_of_Society wrote: post #264

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You're the foremost expert on cephalopods with decades of experience in the field yet can't be bothered to spend 10-15 minutes to scan the study. Got it. Love how you keep capitalizing cephalopod like you just copy pasted it off a google search to get the proper spelling :P Remember kids. Animals in captivity always behave exactly as they do in the wild. Also every individual is exactly the same so you never see any…

> Love how you keep capitalizing cephalopod like you just copy pasted it off a google search to get the proper spelling :P Use Cephalopoda with uppercase 'C'. Problem fixed. By the way, most people would say that the correct word is Google, with uppercase G. (I will not assume that you don't know how to use Google for that; it would be childish). In any case, yes, I check things in Google all the time, and you may wa…

Look bro you're entire response history in this thread has been childish. You don't deserve more than that. A real expert expecting to be taken seriously would of at least bothered to scan the easily found study (<5 mins on google). Then they would of posted at least a cliff notes of what they found wrong with the study. Instead you just shit posted.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by merry_flame »

steveoscaro wrote: post #238
rickydroll wrote: post #227

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I decided on pigs as the smart threshold because they were as smart as my dogs, and I would never eat my dog. Mutton, lamb, or chicken is no problem whatsoever. You grab them by the neck, stare deep into their eyes, and you will see the back of their skull.

reminds me of Werner Herzog's classic rant on the stupidity of chickens.. "Look into the eyes of a chicken and you will see real stupidity. It is a kind of bottomless stupidity, a fiendish stupidity. They are the most horrifying, cannibalistic and nightmarish creatures in the world."

The eye of the beholder... I've had hens understand how to jump on handles to open doors. Certainly, they lacked the subtlety to shut up once they started gobbling up food, but they knew how to open doors, creep in and stay silent until they reached the kitchen. Nobody trained them to do so, and they certainly had never tried jumping against doors before that happened. Not only did a hen figure out what we were up to with those door handles but suddenly, from one week to the next, each one of our 4 or 5 hens got the memo. I'd venture the guess that most humans find it more convenient to disparage whatever creature they happen to exploit.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by merry_flame »

aeonik wrote: post #128
ahartmetz wrote: post #115

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The main reason for humans not eating one another is in-species nepotism, I believe. It's not very principled, but probably closest to the truth. There is also don't mess with the effectively most powerful species on the planet whose members have collectively decided that (for somewhat principled reasons) none of them should be eaten.

Disease is actually the main reason. Any parasite, bacteria, virus, and especially prions spread much much more easily the closer the food is to your own biology. Cannibalistic tribes have had issues with this in even the recent past.

Good point. This needs an update though now we know more about zoonotic spillover. Pigs, monkeys, bats, etc. should be off the list asap.
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