iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by gffrd » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

concinds wrote: post #219

panarky wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

They showed up the full Apple Intelligence featureset at WWDC months ago. This was a shorter recap.

Thanks for noting this. I was surprised how little it featured into today's announcement, so this fills in the picture.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by stronglikedan » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

panarky wrote: post #158

swyx wrote: post #113

i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on…

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

Apple rarely ever innovates, so it's not surprising these new features seem underwhelming. What Apple does best is to perfect (others') existing ideas so that they work more much more reliably than the competition. The number one pain point of technology today is that hardly any of it consistently works correctly more than 95% of the time. But when Apple releases a feature, it works 99% of the time instead. That's their key differentiator.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by heraldgeezer » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:56 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #82

Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?

Crazy how my Oneplus 10 (2 years old btw) charges to 100% in 30min and 80% in 20min from 0. All I do is charge when I shower, and it's done.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by refulgentis » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:56 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #202

panarky wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

> With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. None of that was coming from Apple, though. I don't think they can be held responsible for hype that gets put on them. IMO these are all solid moves into AI integration without getting carried away by hype and doing things that will have very middling results.

We just watched an Apple event where they discuss Apple Intelligence.

My understanding is people knew Apple Intelligence existed before this event.

Is it accurate to say Apple wasn't involved at all in touting it? All external parties? Sounds wrong to my ear

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by pants2 » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:57 PM UTC

llm_nerd wrote: post #216

swyx wrote: post #113

i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on…

"- camera adds events to calendar!" I'm on iOS 18.0 on my iPhone 15 Pro, rather that the 18.1 with the "AI". Recently had an eye doctor appt for one of my children and they scheduled a follow-up, giving me a little card with the details. I was in a hurry so took a picture of it intending to enter the calendar event later, and it immediately pulled up a fully-filled in, completely accurate new calendar event. Little a…

I have a hilarious list of animals that my cat has been misclassified as by my iPhone. Everything from a beetle to a nematode. It doesn't give me a lot of confidence in these features!

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by GenerocUsername » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:57 PM UTC

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

Apple is a trillion dollar battery company.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by DidYaWipe » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:58 PM UTC

boringg wrote: post #159

swyx wrote: post #113

i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on…

The part I am most interested in is how much of it is on device and how much of your data is trained only on your own model vs hovered up into a larger model. On device, my own model. Great.

Totally. I am down for decreased dependence on connectivity and remote servers.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by m_mueller » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 8:58 PM UTC

swyx wrote: post #242

llm_nerd wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"- camera adds events to calendar!" I'm on iOS 18.0 on my iPhone 15 Pro, rather that the 18.1 with the "AI". Recently had an eye doctor appt for one of my children and they scheduled a follow-up, giving me a little card with the details. I was in a hurry so took a picture of it intending to enter the calendar event later, and it immediately pulled up a fully-filled in, completely accurate new calendar event. Little a…

oh so you're saying this is not an Apple Intelligence feature? its a little hard to tell

It‘s Apple Intelligent, not Apple Intelligence! When are you finally getting it! And no, we don‘t abbreviate it ever! Look, a new button! runs away

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by paxys » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:00 PM UTC

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest.

Gonna disagree with this one. Tell me, does using an iPhone today feel significantly faster than the top model 2-3 years ago or even 10 years ago? Does the battery last a lot longer than it did back then? Apple certainly claims this is the case in their marketing every year. The answer however is no, because with every increase in computing power and battery size, the OS and all the apps on it get that much more resource hungry. The entire ecosystem is designed to get users to need to upgrade every ~2-3 years, otherwise they will start to feel the lag.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by keyle » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:00 PM UTC

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

Agree with what you wrote. That said quality of life things such as pro motion and increase battery life are noticeable.

Scrolling at 120hz is butter smooth and improves the UX quite a lot. While battery life is peace of mind that you don't have to worry about.

What ticks me off is OpenAI integration in my private life. I really like chatGPT as a daily google box but I hate the idea of it meddling in my private information. That's a big no no.