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Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by Teever »

MBCook wrote: post #170
Menu_Overview wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought about this. How much more battery life would they have to build in for it to be noticeably better? When I charge my watch at the end of the day, I usually have plenty to spare, but not always enough to make it through to the morning (especially if I tracked an exercise). Even if a new watch got 24hrs of battery life, I would still have to charge it at night so I wouldn't really matter. I'd guess that 18h…

That’s a good point. Maybe 36-48 hours? Even then you’re still charging every other day, so is that so much better than every day? 18->120 hours would be a real change, but that’s almost a 7x increase.

To me 72 hours is the right number.

I want to put that thing on in the morning on a Friday, get a text message from a friend about some crazy party of weekend event and be able to attend that to make it home Sunday night to get ready for work on Monday.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by tzs »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #6
microtonal wrote: post #3

I thank Apple for not releasing an Ultra 3. No FOMO this year :).

Honestly seems like the main reason to buy an Ultra 2 over a 10 is if you dive, or really, really need the extra battery life.

The Ultra 2 also has better GPS and microphone.

I had assumed that it also had a significantly larger display, which would have been compelling for me since I'm getting old enough to where things I could read without my glasses a few years ago on my Series 4 are now too small. Based on 49mm vs 44mm and assuming display area goes as the square of watch size the Ultra 2 should have a display 24% larger than that of my Series 4.

But two things can invalidate that square of the size assumption. First, the aspect ratio of the cases is not the same, and second, the percent of the case area occupied by the screen is not necessarily the same.

On the watch comparison page Apple gives the actual display area and it that tells an interesting story:

    Watch    Size   Display   Pixels  Δ Display  Δ Size^2
  ---------  ----  ---------  ------  ---------  --------
  Series 4   44mm   977 mm^2  164864      -         -
  Series 9   45mm  1143 mm^2  191644    17.0 %     4.6 %
  Series 10  46mm  1220 mm^2  206336     6.7 %     4.5 %
  Ultra 2    49mm  1185 mm^2  205820    -2.3 %    13.5 %
(The SE 2 has the same case and display specs as the Series 4).

The "Δ Display" column is how much bigger the display area is than that of the watch from the prior row. The "Δ Size^2" is how much bigger we'd expect the display to be just based on the square of watch size.

Based on this it appears that if I want the largest display then the Series 10 is the way to go.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by wubrr »

wlesieutre wrote: post #248
wubrr wrote: post #236

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> It wasn't part of my daily routine, so I would forget to charge it. So maybe the problem is your daily routine, not the fact that the battery life is objectively better? It's like if you bought a laptop with too little RAM, and you try to explain that its actually an advantage because it forces you to run less applications. It's absurd to the max.

Yes, longer battery life would be better. But aside from the times when I've had bug-induced battery drain, I never run out of battery and it's not something I worry about. So I also don't really care about the battery life being shorter than my Pebble's was. Apple could triple the battery life to 3 days, but as you've just pointed out it should still be part of my daily routine to charge it, and if I'm not charging…

Your personal preference when it comes to not caring about battery life doesn't change the fact that Apple watch battery life is amongst the worst on the market.

Just like if you don't care that your laptop has only 2GB RAM - that doesn't mean it's a good amount of RAM or some kind of advantage over 32GB of RAM.

Explaining away objective deficiencies with personal preferences and anecdotes is not at all convincing or useful.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by sgarland »

mulderc wrote: post #253
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #172

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To each their own, I wear my watch in the shower so I can change the song on my bluetooth speaker.

I feel like if you are making it through more than a couple songs, your shower is too long.

I do a lot of thinking in the shower. I’ve unblocked myself on many problems from shower thoughts.

Also, it’s just enjoyable.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by mulderc »

nradov wrote: post #228
dymk wrote: post #167

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You charge it for an hour before you go to bed. 23/24 hours is pretty good.

It's amazing that anyone would consider that "pretty good" when competing products with similar features can go literally weeks between charges.

'Similar' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Competing products with that kind of battery life offer far fewer features and lack the app ecosystem of the Apple Watch. That might work for some, but it's a dealbreaker for me. As a runner, a Garmin might seem like the perfect choice, but it lacks many features I've come to rely on with the Apple Watch.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by mulderc »

tiltowait wrote: post #109
hedgehog wrote: post #100

All that and no improvement to battery life. I've been wearing an Apple Watch for a few years, the data collection is good but the abysmal battery life and associated charge management is a real downer. I'm Apple ecosystem for almost everything but the battery and touch sensitivity issues are enough to get me to do the work to go to a different platform for health data.

At this point, it’s pretty clear Apple targets a specific battery life (18 hours) and builds the techs around that. As a result, I don’t think we will get an improvement in that area anytime soon. However, it does look like they improved the charging story—something like 80% in 30 minutes? Not bad.

Looks like they target 18 for apple watch 36 for apple watch ultra.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by mulderc »

Teever wrote: post #261
MBCook wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a good point. Maybe 36-48 hours? Even then you’re still charging every other day, so is that so much better than every day? 18->120 hours would be a real change, but that’s almost a 7x increase.

To me 72 hours is the right number. I want to put that thing on in the morning on a Friday, get a text message from a friend about some crazy party of weekend event and be able to attend that to make it home Sunday night to get ready for work on Monday.

Apple Watch Ultra in low power mode should do it for you.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by FireBeyond »

tshaddox wrote: post #197
mulderc wrote: post #129

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I wear my Apple Watch all the time, even when I'm sleeping. I pretty much just charge it when I'm in the shower or getting ready in the morning. It charges super fast, and I've found that having a regular charging routine is actually better for these gadgets. Funny enough, watches with longer battery life can mess up your charging habits. I had this problem with my old Pebble watch. Yeah, the battery lasted longer, b…

> Funny enough, watches with longer battery life can mess up your charging habits. My experience with Kindles!

During the night, my wireless charger base on my nightstand charges my iPhone. When I get up in the morning I take my iPhone and put my Kindle on it during the day.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by brookst »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #125
hedgehog wrote: post #100

All that and no improvement to battery life. I've been wearing an Apple Watch for a few years, the data collection is good but the abysmal battery life and associated charge management is a real downer. I'm Apple ecosystem for almost everything but the battery and touch sensitivity issues are enough to get me to do the work to go to a different platform for health data.

I don't understand features like sleep apnea monitoring on a device with an "all-day, 18-hour battery life," unless they're expecting people to get one watch for the day and another one for the night.

It charges insanely quickly.

Re: Apple Watch Series 10

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Post by cududa »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #243
bengale wrote: post #114

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That’s the ultra.

Yeah but it's still not enough. Also the ultra is more money than anyone I know is willing to pay for an apple watch.

If 36 hours (Ultra 2) isn't enough battery life, then you and your friends aren't the target audience for a smart watch with a display.
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