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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by consteval »

anonfordays wrote: post #254
consteval wrote: post #249

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>I don't know if you're bring purposefully obtuse, I hope not, but obviously I meant "master" came from slavery before audio, and audio took that terminology because it was already a popular word. I don't know if you're bring purposefully delusional, I hope not, but obviously I meant "master" came from master piece before audio, and audio took that terminology because it was already a popular word. Because of, you kn…

> The use of "master" in git has no historical or etymological ties to slavery whatsoever as outlined above. QED.

Not the argument I, or anyone else, is making

The use of "master" in Git may remind someone of slavery, which we don't want to do. For their sake. That's the argument actually being made and I think you'll notice it's much harder, if not impossible, to refute. That's the argument you need to target, not whatever high school debate class strawman you can come up with. Anyone can win an argument against an easy, made up argument.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by Izkata »

consteval wrote: post #259
zahlman wrote: post #258

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> One might not reasonably infer this because that's the most insane thing I've ever read. Do you just assume everyone else is this insane? They're really not. Again, a higher standard of discourse is expected here. But I infer this because it is the only way that any sense could possibly be made of the argument . If we claim anything other than "this terminology somehow justifies or advocates for racial supremacy",…

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> > a higher standard of discourse is expected here

> Your account is 10 days old.

This is rather funny coming from an account that's only 41 days old.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by zahlman »

consteval wrote: post #235
xigoi wrote: post #213

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A programming language is a tool. It should not have an official stance on political issues, whether you agree with it or not.

It doesn't have an official stance, you guys are just making assumptions and performing hyperbole for your own outrage. Did they endorse the DNC and I missed it? No, they didn't. Seriously, again - come oooooon.

>Did they endorse the DNC and I missed it?

They did endorse BLM (the organization, along with its very specific message which is not related to the business of writing code). You seem to have missed the link I previously fed you:

https://discuss.python.org/t/the-psf-should-be-less-politica...

Which was in reference to:

https://x.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by Izkata »

srid wrote: post #210
Lockal wrote: post #147

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This post was unflagged few moments ago, also received 20 likes (from 7 to 27) for last hour.

Probably because it gained attention on HN? The same cannot be said for in-numerous other acts of flagging and hiding. Almost all posts from Clay in this thread has been flagged and hidden; you can't even make sense of Guido's replies to him because of that. https://discuss.python.org/t/approval-voting-vs-instant-runo...

Looks like they were restored right after you posted this link.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by anonfordays »

consteval wrote: post #261
anonfordays wrote: post #254

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>I don't know if you're bring purposefully obtuse, I hope not, but obviously I meant "master" came from slavery before audio, and audio took that terminology because it was already a popular word. I don't know if you're bring purposefully delusional, I hope not, but obviously I meant "master" came from master piece before audio, and audio took that terminology because it was already a popular word. Because of, you kn…

> The use of "master" in git has no historical or etymological ties to slavery whatsoever as outlined above. QED. Not the argument I, or anyone else, is making The use of "master" in Git may remind someone of slavery, which we don't want to do. For their sake. That's the argument actually being made and I think you'll notice it's much harder, if not impossible, to refute. That's the argument you need to target, not w…

>Not the argument I, or anyone else, is making

That was the exact argument others were making.

>The use of "master" in Git may remind someone of slavery, which we don't want to do. For their sake.

The removal of "master" in git may remind others of fascism, which we don't want to do. For their sake.

>That's the argument actually being made

They'd be delusional and wrong because the etymology doesn't stem from slavery.

>and I think you'll notice it's much harder, if not impossible, to refute.

Just refuted it LOL!

>That's the argument you need to target

Just did.

>whatever high school debate class strawman you can come up with.

There were no strawmen in my arguments.

>Anyone can win an argument against an easy, made up argument.

Glad that's not what I did.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by basementcat »

_xiaz wrote: post #187
basementcat wrote: post #143

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I also don’t fully understand why some folks are worked up. We all have posts that are downvoted and removed even here on HN. If you don’t like the steering committee or whatever, just elect a new one.

Because this is not like any one of us having their comment removed on HN. This is like Paul Graham having their comment removed on HN. A more drastic analogy, this is like getting kicked out of your house by your kids. Altough I see that this one is flawed and exaggarated

Why should Paul Graham's comments not be downvoted or removed from HN?

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by naniwaduni »

OutOfHere wrote: post #243
naniwaduni wrote: post #222

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An arguable disadvantage of full range voting is that it overweights people who vote binary 0/100 and underweights people who vote 80-100. Since the former is almost always strategically advantaged, it seems fairer to just cut out the middle.

The very simple fix is there is to auto-scale everyone's scores into weights (percentages that add to 100).

That's a horrible idea that reintroduces spoiler effects.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by bun_terminator »

thebigspacefuck wrote: post #233
bun_terminator wrote: post #200

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Would you feel the same way if the message was "make America great again"? And yes I did remove python from a big private repo and will argue against it at work when the question arises.

What will you replace it with?

in my case: c++

In the more general cases: No idea

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by mixmastamyk »

consteval wrote: post #237
anonfordays wrote: post #236

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>Personally I think if you're a die-hard master-slave fan that's weird. There is no concept of "slave" in git, there are no "slave" branches. That concept has never existed in git's source code. It's master like "master recording".

Ok but where do you think the term comes from? It didn't spawn into common use out of nowhere. And I'll say - I don't think it matters. It's all stupid bullshit in my eyes. But if it doesn't matter, which it doesn't, then main shouldn't be a problem. In my opinion.

Americans like to think they invented racism and slavery, but it isn't the case. It's older than the Roman Empire, of course:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

Historically anyone could be a slave, so conflating it primarily with racism is sloppy argumentation.

(I wanted to reply to your post above, but couldn't because it is dead.)

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by [deleted] »

consteval wrote: post #241
anonfordays wrote: post #239

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>Ok but where do you think the term comes from? It didn't spawn into common use out of nowhere. From mastering: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering_(audio) >And I'll say - I don't think it matters. It's all stupid bullshit in my eyes. But if it doesn't matter, which it doesn't, then main shouldn't be a problem. In my opinion. And I'll say - I don't think it matters. It's all stupid bullshit in my eyes. But if i…

Okay I'm not the one who advocated to change master. That's already been done. Now we have people advocating to change BACK to master. Also really? Audio mastering? And which, pray tell, do you believe came first?

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