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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Professor Michael Rosenfeld at Stanford does research on how heterosexual couples in the US meet ( https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/ ). In 1940, over 50% met via friends or family. About 36% met at school. In 2021, about 20% met via friends or family. About 10% met at school. Over 50% met online. So the majority of US couples are now meeting via profit-maximizing corporations. He has a 2019 paper on this (and it ha…

I'm surprised dating sites work well enough that 50% of customers meet via it. They've no incentive to help you leave.

It might not be dating sites. I've heard of people in WoW guilds dating back in the day.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Well, yes, we've doubled down on mediating social interactions through economic relationships. Most of the interactions adults have in their lives are with or in the framing of economic relations. Homes, are being invaded with tablets and mobile devices which bring along with them framing interactions as economic relations through ad and consumer frames. Workplaces are inherently settings of economic relations, and t…

This is both a loss in and of itself, and is also a rational response by people within this system. Everything MUST make money because everyone is FUCKING broke. People don't monetize their hobbies for fun, they do it because they're barely scraping by and the notion of spending time on things that don't make money is so beaten out of us that it feels wrong to do it. We can't go anywhere without spending money, we ca…

What—or who—made the streets terrifying?

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. I am no fan of religion having grown up in an exceedingly religious environment. But it was always completely obvious to me even as a child that the primary purpose of religion was to form local communities and have others with shared values to rely on. We seem to be doing it w…

> The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. > I am no fan of religion having grown up in an exceedingly religious environment. But it was always completely obvious to me even as a child that the primary purpose of religion was to form local communities and have others with shared values to rely on. It is a problem, but…

I am surprised this needs to be pointed out, but people generally believe their religion to be true and do not find it at odds with reality at all. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them just because they believe it, but it is certainly not the case that religion is false in a provable sense, nor that religiosity is incompatible with valuing reality.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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I think it’s pretty reasonable to expect people with cars to pay for parking?

At a lot at a shopping mall, sure. At a park in the suburbs, IMO significantly less so. Especially when ostensibly my property taxes are already paying for the fucking park.

I understand your frustration but I expect there are a lot of things that go into that decision. I expect adding a fee to parking makes it possible to enforce time limits, to remove squatting, and to ensure there are actually spots available. I doubt it is for the money but even if it is the park systems tend to be horribly underfunded (and often have to be held up with private donation money). A lot of our broken things are because someone with too many responsibilities and too little resources has to make a choice between a bunch of bad options and I wonder if this is similar.

From your rant we know you'll pick free open spots compared to paid open spots but what if the choice is between paid open spots and no spots at all? Or worse, paid open spots or shady looking cars parked all day selling drugs?

It seems like the more effective change is more parks but imagine the pushback if someone tried suggesting that! You're angry that you already pay taxes and now you have to pay again to have a special spot right at the park you can park your car in. Imagine the backlash if someone had the audacity to suggest raising your taxes for new parks. "I already pay for parks! I won't even use 95% of them! Why should I have to pay just because I'm a homeowner!"

I can hear my dads voice saying some of these things and it reminds me of his complaints about funding schools with property taxes and I see how people like him pivot this into "the socialists just trying to punish the straight white men".

It all makes me sad.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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As a member of generation Z I would like to add that one of the many enshittification reasons leading to the loss of community is an aging population. Many of the same neighborhoods that our parents used to roam and play are now a majority old or childless families. The kids are there, just not dense enough to form small tight knit play groups anymore. This applies to suburbs specifically

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Professor Michael Rosenfeld at Stanford does research on how heterosexual couples in the US meet ( https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/ ). In 1940, over 50% met via friends or family. About 36% met at school. In 2021, about 20% met via friends or family. About 10% met at school. Over 50% met online. So the majority of US couples are now meeting via profit-maximizing corporations. He has a 2019 paper on this (and it ha…

Hasn't the divorce rate also gone down. So one question is if the method of meeting is improving that rate

Yeah.

Marriage rate and divorce rate have plummeted since 1940.

Probably not much to do with electronic media there. A lot more likely that financial and social pressures are squeezing what were previously considered cultural imperatives. ie - church, marriage, home ownership, etc.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Sports, hobby groups, book clubs? There are plenty of options to meet like-minded people other than churches.

The extent to which such a list is accurate and complete is the extent to which it’s a great list of startup ideas to destroy some community institution, make it impossible to do without an app, and put ads on it.

Maybe in your experience. It isn't in mine. You can make due with email lists and flyers and word of mouth and if someone tries to push an app for it everyone is welcome to ignore it.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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I've noticed an uptick recently of large brands to start referring to themselves as "The [Brand] Community". The author pointed out Youtube here (who in an Orwellian manner calls their ToS "community guidelines") but I've also seen it with many other multi-million dollar companies such as Reddit, Twitter, etc. Young people today are reaching out for real support structures, but only receiving manipulation from corpor…

This is another form of locking in the customer, because if at any point a customer wants to distance themselves from the brand, they are always distancing themselves from the "community", which is harder to do than leaving a brand.

If you can make a product part of someone's identity then you've won.

Reminds me of back when people would slap Apple logos on non-Apple work devices.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Risk is an important ingredient to a fulfilling life. As we continue to de-risk our lives, we lose our ability to evaluate risk and aggressively criminalize what we do not understand because we perceive it to be dangerous. There are many types of activities which, while not criminalized yet, are “anti-social” in certain environments and can cost you your job.

such as?

Sex, sex-adjacent activities, extreme sports, van life / nomadic lifestyle are examples for which I know people who have either lost a job or experienced retaliation in a professional environment.

They are also all experiencing pressure to be criminalized and in certain places are already criminalized or otherwise regulated in a way that is harmful to individual liberty for a perceived gain in safety.

Lastly, I’ll add that cost of insurance, general ability to be insured, and the litigious nature of the USA apply a great deal of pressure to limit our ability to enrich our lives with risk.

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