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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by zooq_ai »

not_wyoming wrote: post #255
zooq_ai wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a Monopoly != Anti-Competitive. Having Barriers to Entry != Anti-competitive Yes, large players have advantages of Economies of Scale. Just because you can't run an Airline because you don't have money to buy an Airplane isn't anti-competitive. Today Microsoft, Apple, OpenAI, Google, Amazon all can afford those piddly $60m to license from reddit. Not Anti-competitive at all. But saddened by how much corporate-…

If you check citations, you'd find the sentence preceding my excerpt on barriers to entry: "Because barriers to entry protect incumbent firms and restrict competition in a market, they can contribute to distortionary prices and are therefore most important when discussing antitrust policy." Antitrust policy then links to a page on competition law: "Competition law is the field of law that promotes or seeks to maintai…

Once again buying an Airplane and starting an Airline business has probably the highest barrier to entry. Yet the Airline industry is the most competitive.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by [deleted] »

shadowgovt wrote: post #195
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #140

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It's a very long article so understandable that you did not read on and learn about other search engines crawling beyond GBY. Still there are indeed very few that are crawling at web scale, and internationally. We are at 8 billion pages and totally independent [0], hence expressing our concerns to 404 media after being blanked by Reddit. [0] https://www.mojeek.com/about/why-mojeek

I mean, I didn't read on because it's paid. I'm not taking their reporting without compensation, but that also means I didn't have the whole story. Such is life in this era of the internet.

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by em-bee »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #238
dev1ycan wrote: post #194

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Brave has their own search engine, yandex I only use for reverse image search, baidu's interface is really clean and feels like old school google... but I don't speak chinese so I can't use it. I hope that one day they get a western version

Brave doesn't have its own index of the full web, and it's even less useful than Yandex. And very likely buys some of it, according to what I've heard. So it falls into the last category.

if that is true then they are lying on their site where they claim: "Brave Search operates from a fully independent search index"

do you have any reference for your claim?

i use brave search and find it very useful. very rarely there is something i can't find, and when i run into that other search engines are not much better.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by darreninthenet »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #129
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #38

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Kagi uses at least Google and Mojeek edit: > Realistically, there are only 2 search engines now. https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...

> Realistically, there are only 2 search engines now. From the article: Many alternatives to GBY [Google, Bing, and Yandex] exist, but almost none of them have their own results; This seems to assert that ~0 other search providers do any crawling at all. Ever. Are we sure that's the case? (they could crawl but never ever return those results == more odd).

I believe Kagi has its own crawler as well and it merges all the results and does whatever Kagi does behind the scenes to show the mix

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by GuB-42 »

not_wyoming wrote: post #232
zooq_ai wrote: post #211

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There is nothing preventing search companies paying the same $60 Million to license content. If reddit had exclusive agreement, it would be anti-competive. This is classic HN anti-Google tirade (and downvoting facts, logic and concepts of free market)

> There is nothing preventing search companies paying the same $60 Million to license content. Yes, actually, there is - having $60m to throw around. "Barriers to entry often cause or aid the existence of monopolies and oligopolies" [0]. Monopolies and oligopolies are definitionally the opposite of free market forces. This is quite literally Econ 101. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriers_to_entry

Microsoft can throw around $60M, and Bing is used by most of the "alternative" search engines.

It doesn't solve the problem, but if money is the only thing preventing search engines from accessing Reddit, then what goes for Google also goes for Microsoft.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by not_wyoming »

zooq_ai wrote: post #261
not_wyoming wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you check citations, you'd find the sentence preceding my excerpt on barriers to entry: "Because barriers to entry protect incumbent firms and restrict competition in a market, they can contribute to distortionary prices and are therefore most important when discussing antitrust policy." Antitrust policy then links to a page on competition law: "Competition law is the field of law that promotes or seeks to maintai…

Once again buying an Airplane and starting an Airline business has probably the highest barrier to entry. Yet the Airline industry is the most competitive.

The air travel industry has also seen some of the most significant government regulation in the form of blocking mergers (ie monopolistic, anticompetitive behavior) - meaning that competition in the airline space is due to regulation, not free market dynamics alone.

I’m happy to continue this debate if you’d like to start supporting your posts with citations but probably won’t engage further unless you do. Have a great day!

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by astrange »

bdw5204 wrote: post #41
debacle wrote: post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The strange thing to me is how everybody keeps trying to make distributed Twitter happen when distributed Reddit is the low hanging fruit for federated social media. You don't want to end up banned from a movies forum because you also participate in a political forum. Federation solves that problem because you can use separate accounts without either forum knowing that you also use the other.

It's not possible because the most common problems with running a forum are spam and moderation, and both of those are too much work unless it's centralized.
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