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The joy of reading books you don't understand

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Kafka [1] on which types of book to read: "I believe one should only read those books which bite and sting. If the book we are reading does not wake us up with a blow to the head, then why read the book? To make us happy, as you write? My God, we would be just as happy if we had no books, and those books that make us happy, we could write ourselves if necessary. But we need the books that affect us like a disaster, t…

I don’t know if I’m taking Kafka too literally here, but the books that I read that bite and sting probably fall into two categories. Things that are cynically written in bad faith and things that are hopeless and callous. Torture porn bites and stings, reading hacky partisan politics bites and stings. Anything that makes me feel stupider after reading it bites and stings. The things that I think that he wants to say…

For as long as i can remember ideas have "Struck Me", and the more i read the more "Intellectually Uneasy" i become. I realise faulty assumptions about "What a thing represents" can lead me down a dead "Branch"; Whether in formal systems like math, tech architecture or social matters.

Sometimes as you say, "cynically written" books like 1984 can be have that bite, and thats true, but some books that have "Bite" because makes me go "Whoa!" or a slight panic when my world-view gets changed.

Godel, escher, bach was one of the first books that did that for me. It struck me on the head and i could not put the book down. Concepts of infinity and strange loops dominated my underlying intellectual uneasyness for some time afterwards.

Blood Meridian was also a book that shook my understanding of pre-1800 life. How close to savagery humanity still was only 200 years ago fundamentally shook my understanding of where i stand in relation to my ancestors.

"The Quants" showed me how shaky our financial infrastructure really is.

The Rose Of Paracelsus: On Secrets & Sacraments blew my mind. Spending 20 years to create a masterpeice that would certainly fall into both of your categories at once... a brilliant, cynical book, hopeless and callous in the eyes of a population with the attention span of a tik tok.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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If works do not test you or bring new ideas, then what is the point of reading them in the first place? Uncomfortable nonfiction is like eating your vegetables. There is much disquieting history and knowledge that must not be ignored. Mainstream mass public education will not teach curiosity or imbue anyone with ambition or initiative, it is something one must cultivate on their own.

Life isn't some contest where we only need challenges. Pleasure is a fine part of creation. And I had some wonderful teachers in mass education who inspired me quite a bit on the virtue of curiosity and striving for what exceeds my grasp. I don't know what you mean by ambition but for me it has been trying to do each thing with focus as well as I can and to attempt to live a life of openness and love and hard but ful…

That's only your view, and not the only viewpoint. Trying to minimize or discount the views of others isn't a smooth move.

Re: The joy of reading books you don't understand

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If works do not test you or bring new ideas, then what is the point of reading them in the first place? Uncomfortable nonfiction is like eating your vegetables. There is much disquieting history and knowledge that must not be ignored. Mainstream mass public education will not teach curiosity or imbue anyone with ambition or initiative, it is something one must cultivate on their own.

I’m not looking for too much challenge in my leisure time. Having read both the Harry Potter series and Infinite Jest, I think I prefer the former.

If someone is only looking at cat videos or reading mass-market fiction, then they're probably also ignorant or illiterate about the world regarding current events and history. That's their choice. While depressing, it's unremarkable because that's the norm. Balance is what's needed.
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