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Can I set-up a homeless shelter on a farm and unless you pick strawberries you aren't allow to stay? Shelter with strings attached shouldn't count as a shelter.
Sure. I don't see a problem if the work is within reasonable parameters. This is a private entity offering use of their property under reasonable terms.
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I totally agree. My point, though, was that being poor isn't illegal. The ruling keeps the jurisdictions for camping in public at the city level, it isn't specific to why someone is camping or broadly about being poor. If cops have to stop enforcing it the laws will eventually be overturned. If cops do enforce it courts and jails will back up, eventually the law would either be dropped or more support would be built…
The point is though that, at least in some jurisdictions, being so poor that you can't afford a house is now effectively illegal. Sure, the same law prevents the rich from camping outside, but that is irrelevant. The relevant thing is that there is no legal way to be homeless in those jurisdictions. And note that cops don't have to actually arrest people in order to enforce those laws. They can simply prevent them fr…
I get that you are saying functionally its illegal to be poor, but that isn't actually what the ruling covered.
At least in my opinion, that extrapolation really muddies the water when it isn't necessary. The fact that we have so many homeless people and that courts ruled cities are allowed to ban people from camping outside regardless of situation is bad enough.
So let me get this straight... People unable to afford a home, with no communal shelter, are fined for making alternate arrangements. Of course, given that they're already in a bad financial situation, they won't be able to pay the fines. So it's jail time. I guess that's a kind of shelter, but then what happens when the jails become full? Where do the extras go then? And what happens to those released with fresh mar…
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It's a myth that homeless people move to better cities. If we could do that, we wouldn't be homeless. People tend to be homeless near the last place they were housed.
No it is not. This is incredibly easy to see by just visiting different cities. Northern cities like chicago and minneapolis have very small homeless populations. Its not because no one in these cities lost their job or because the cities are dealing with homelessness better than west coast cities. The homeless in the these cities leave.
First: the west-coast homeless population is overwhelmingly indigenous, consisting of people who had (and mostly will again) stable housing in the region before experiencing homelessness.
Secondly: the much more salient reason the midwest sees less homelessness is that housing is much, much more affordable here. The homeless in the midwest leave homelessness, for apartments; they don't leave the region to be homeless elsewhere.
Third: there are huge numbers of homeless people in Chicago. Chicago is drastically bigger than Portland or San Francisco, where the homeless problem is more visible. Drive down Chicago Ave through Humboldt Park. People don't erect tent cities in the middle of San Francisco as a political statement; there just isn't anywhere else to put them. Chicago doesn't have that problem.
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No it is not. This is incredibly easy to see by just visiting different cities. Northern cities like chicago and minneapolis have very small homeless populations. Its not because no one in these cities lost their job or because the cities are dealing with homelessness better than west coast cities. The homeless in the these cities leave.
No. First: the west-coast homeless population is overwhelmingly indigenous, consisting of people who had (and mostly will again) stable housing in the region before experiencing homelessness. Secondly: the much more salient reason the midwest sees less homelessness is that housing is much, much more affordable here. The homeless in the midwest leave homelessness, for apartments; they don't leave the region to be home…
Humboldt has less than 10 homeless people. Its a tiny problem relative to the west coast.
Homelessness that people care about are the drug addicts who can not take care of themselves, these people would be homeless if housing cost $100 a month. Their status has nothing to do with housing costs. These types of homeless in SF are not overwhelmingly indigenous.
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No. First: the west-coast homeless population is overwhelmingly indigenous, consisting of people who had (and mostly will again) stable housing in the region before experiencing homelessness. Secondly: the much more salient reason the midwest sees less homelessness is that housing is much, much more affordable here. The homeless in the midwest leave homelessness, for apartments; they don't leave the region to be home…
> Third: there are huge numbers of homeless people in Chicago. Chicago is drastically bigger than Portland or San Francisco, where the homeless problem is more visible. Drive down Chicago Ave through Humboldt Park. Humboldt has less than 10 homeless people. Its a tiny problem relative to the west coast. Homelessness that people care about are the drug addicts who can not take care of themselves, these people would be…
Regarding the origin of California homeless people, this is an empirically studied question; you don't have to derive your answer from first principles.
Are we better at getting people off the street than California? Indubitably. But the scale of our problem is, if not per-capita identical, then at least comparable, by the numbers.
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> Third: there are huge numbers of homeless people in Chicago. Chicago is drastically bigger than Portland or San Francisco, where the homeless problem is more visible. Drive down Chicago Ave through Humboldt Park. Humboldt has less than 10 homeless people. Its a tiny problem relative to the west coast. Homelessness that people care about are the drug addicts who can not take care of themselves, these people would be…
That's just obviously not true, regarding Humboldt Park. It's so not true, it's Google Maps not true. "Humboldt Park t-" literally autocompletes to "tent city" in an incognito window for me. And, like, I drive through there a couple times a week and believe my lying eyes. Regarding the origin of California homeless people, this is an empirically studied question; you don't have to derive your answer from first princi…
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Sure. I don't see a problem if the work is within reasonable parameters. This is a private entity offering use of their property under reasonable terms.
And a government saying that you're subject to arrest if you don't agree to those "reasonable terms".
ex. it's illegal to be unemployed (enforced against blacks) where unemployed included self-employment. So now you have a large population that is forced to work for any wage or get throw in prison where they're forced into work detail anyways.
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I don't think they're going to hunt them down like the gestapo If the homeless just kept to themselves and weren't actively causing public disturbances in places like SF, this wouldn't be an issue And it's an issue that affects some municipalities more than others. If a horde of homeless just show up in SF one day and strain infrastructure, I don't think it's unreasonable for SF to be able to do something about that
herein alaska they're not "going to hunt them down like the gestapo" they already do. troopers,and "social serviceworkers act on reports of homeless camps in the woods search for them and make a census of the occupants. shortly after the camp is broken up and warrants served.
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herein alaska they're not "going to hunt them down like the gestapo" they already do. troopers,and "social serviceworkers act on reports of homeless camps in the woods search for them and make a census of the occupants. shortly after the camp is broken up and warrants served.
Same here in my part of Michigan. Authorities operate a very proactive search and destroy program for encampments of homeless people.