EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

Post by snowpid » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 9:08 AM UTC

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Free Speech Absolutism was/is connected with hate speech because sites that hold up such an ideal end up being the landing pad for the very worst people who were banned everywhere else. There aren't enough normal people who vote with their money/time/engagement to reach critical mass on those platforms. And turns out very few people want actually free speech. We're in a forum with strong moderation and the discussion…

I broadly agree but present two caveats. Firstly, that Germany's descent into fascism and anti-semitism were both helped by the lack of free speech. Blasphemy laws prevented the anti-semitism preached from the pulpits to be challenged, and hate speech laws actually helped the Nazis publicise their movement[1]. > Rather than deterring the Nazis and countering anti-Semitism, the many court cases served as effective pub…

Post by switch007 » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 9:19 AM UTC

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Following WW2? The European Union was established in 1993 with the Maastricht Treaty

The European Coal and Steel Community , which in many ways is the precursor organization to EU was formed in 1951, with the explicit goal of linking the German and French economies to such a degree that they would be incapable of waging war against each other.

Post by raverbashing » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 9:31 AM UTC

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> And so, 96% of people now think Signal is evil. The overwhelming majority of people living in the EU won't really care or even notice this new law/directive/(?) because they don't really pay any attention to what the EU is doing but yeah for most of of the remaining ones that will probably suffice.

Quoted in major tech press first, and then in non-tech press if the case becomes prominent enough to get to national news, would have a serious poisoning effect.

Post by anal_reactor » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 9:38 AM UTC

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We learnt the value of free speech the hard way, and very slowly. Now we need to keep extending such notions to the rapidly increasing frontiers that new tech is exposing. Hopefully with more tech-savvy generations gradually taking power, this will happen without too many painful lessons.

> We learnt the value of free speech the hard way, and very slowly Did we though? Unfortunately outside the US and a handful of other places free speech doesn't seem to be valued that much, often it's even viewed as a threat (and I'm not talking about authoritarian regimes). It's a double-edged sword to be fair, enabling misinformation and chaos.

Post by mariusor » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 9:42 AM UTC

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Also, I expect "green light" in this context means that it will make it on the EU Parliament's agenda, nothing more. That's still perilously close, but it's not done and dusted yet.

I'm pretty sure the "greenlight" on the title means they are meeting to confirm that the countries will vote in favor of the law so it can be quickly approved once it makes to the parliament: > If Chat Control is endorsed by Council now, experience shows there is a great risk it will be adopted at the end of the political process. meaning: there will be little opposition to the proposal once it reaches the MEPs.