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Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Satya Nadella's Microsoft is such a weird company. It's like there's one side of it that is running with Zuckerberg's "move fast and break things" and the other side is saying "wait, we're the most important software company in the world! Things can't break!"

Microsoft don't want to miss out on another big industry so they're compensating by trying to frontrun everyone whilst trying not to fall over.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve.

> Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve. Yeah, enjoy your just desserts of games that work, HDR that works, variable refresh rates that work, sleep and wake that works, the ability to run the software you need to use, one of the best IDEs available, fantastic backwards compatibility, etc

You seem to be describing Linux, but the previous comment was about Windows.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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It's exactly this. Development of a feature like this surely started during the WFH craze, where managers could no longer casually walk behind people who had to have their monitors facing outwards. A market opened up, and this is not the only tool for this sort of corporate surveillance. Certain Software Engineers will probably get some time without it by claiming they need Admin rights and that the system messes up…

Or you are living in a country where worker rights prevent causeless mass surveillance of employees.

Workplace surveillance of employees became widespread in part because of sexual harassment laws, employers suddenly had to protect themselves from litigation.

See:

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/ro...

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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I think there's more to it than that. After a while, they say "We're going to send some of your information into the cloud to give you a better experience." Then a while after that, you have to click the button giving permission to send all your information to the cloud or you can't use Windows. In spite of claims often made on this site that nobody understands or cares about privacy, people do care and understand wh…

Or at the very least, every other week when your computer forcibly updates itself as Windows likes to do, and you go through your 127th iteration of the onboarding process to your own computer that you've owned for 4 years, one of the new steps will be "Enable Copilot for an improved experience!" with a big "Enable" button and a tiny little piece of text that you wouldn't know was clickable for "More options" which s…

I don't know why you're being downvoted.

This is Microsoft's enshittification, which crossed a personal threshold for me -- "don't worry, everything's right where it was", but subtle nudges to accept further "opt-in"s that are hidden behind UI Dark Patterns.

I wonder if Satya is dancing right now...

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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What if you can't afford a Mac, and you're not technically literate enough to install Ubuntu ? Speaking for myself, I dual boot mint and windows because I really like playing games and making music. Both of those are absolutely subpar on Linux. Outside of our nerd bubble, most normal people don't really want to run desktop Linux. Macs are great, but I can't really game on them.

What is this laptop that costs less than a Mac but is good for gaming?

I just purchased a Amd 8845HS for about 750$ and I can run most games at mid spec.

Tossed in a 4TB SSD and I'm very happy with my purchase. I have Mint installed along with Windows.

Price out a 4TB Mac, you'll be spending an unholy amount of money. Plus in a few years when the 8TB SSDs are cheaper it's an easy upgrade.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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You are very lucky if you have a choice of OS at work. In any case, something like this wouldn't be hard to implement on Linux. And if Windows normalizes it in corporate environments, rest assured that other parties will offer it for Linux as well.

Lol, if they want to use Linux the company will just give them a virtual linux machine and have them use it via windows... recall will still sorta work.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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My takeaway is that Microsoft has been trying to boil the frog, but slipped and turned the temperature up too quickly. They're retreating for now, but make no mistake that Recall will slowly trickle back into Windows under another name. Every major power broker wants something like Recall to become the norm - bosses to spy on their employees, governments to spy on their citizens/enemies, and tech CEO's to collect tra…

This is a very cynical take. I've not seen anything to make me think this feature is intended for surveillance as opposed to personal utility. The personal utility benefits are very clear to me - the problem is the ease with which malicious attackers might steal the data (if they can breach the system).

Taking screenshots of everything a user sees, running it through image recognition, and cataloging all of it in a database is surveillance no matter what Microsoft currently intends to use the data for.

If intent mattered, police could have us all wiretapped without a warrant. They wouldn't be actively sueveilling us for a specific case so there's really no problem, right?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Does Recall work locally? If so, why would it send data to the cloud?

Because the whole point is to collect massive amounts of data to "train" their AI. AI is the new Big Data, but instead of just wanting your basic information, where you moved your mouse, and how long you stayed on a page, they want all of it .

I doubt that. If you want a data hoover, look no further than chatGPT. People bring their data on a platter to it, private documents, drafts, personal problems, how to deal with government bureaucracy, anything actually. A diversity of people, they have more than 180M users, and if you assume a measly 10K tokens/user/month, that makes for 2 trillion tokens. And they are already language based, an alternation of AI text and human responses.

What can AI learn from human responses? They carry implicit feedback - did the user take the last response and build on it, or request a clarification, or pushed back? Did he try the idea and it didn't work? All that feedback served by the human helps the AI just as much as the AI helps the human.

chatGPT is a data blackhole. Every fine-tune can include new human preference data and new knowledge. Imagine the security implications if they fine-tune daily, learn a skill today, use it to assist someone else tomorrow. Maybe your nice idea will be implemented by someone else first!

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Recall suffered from a classic Microsoft mistake they've made time and again, but never learned from - how to correctly market and package your feature. Microsoft always tends to "go big" with their integrations, often to their detriment, in order to increase adoption of new features. One notable time was with Windows 8. They really, REALLY wanted people to try out the new Metro UI, so they deeply integrated it into…

What's funny is if they had marketed it as Apple does (and had as much credibility as Apple does among their fans) then everyone would love it. I seriously doubt they intend to do much different than "Apple Intelligence." I.e., local access to all your data and uploads of data you use on cloud apps.

>then everyone would love it.

I do not think this is at all true.

Recall as implemented is an absolutely security and privacy nightmare, and would absolutely become a tool of oppression for abusers. MS deserved to reap the whirlwind here, as would any firm that offered the same sort of feature.

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