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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #241
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

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>> Oh sweet summer child

I only ever see this expression on nerd sites.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by musictubes »

dylan604 wrote: post #184
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password has the most reasonable pricing out of just about any SaaS company. $1/user/month if you're on a family plan. $3/month for individuals. And they provide a great service. Strongly disagree that they're part of the group of SaaS companies trying to price gouge their users.

Cloud only, and they removed local storage of the vaults. If I'm somewhere that doesn't have internet connectivity, what happens then? Dislike of SaaS isn't limited to monthly fees, but the lack of features they removed to encourage SaaS adoption

How many passwords are required if you aren’t connecting to the internet? What would you be signing in to?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by jljljl »

I want to use this, but this post gave me pause:

https://x.com/blader/status/1800263787746066646

"apple sherlocked 1Password today, so i'd like to remind you that your Apple ID is only as secure as your carrier.

if you have 2FA on and get SIM swapped, attackers can lock you out of it PERMANENTLY.

last month it happened to me. make sure it doesn't happen to you: "

Getting locked out of all my passwords would be pretty disastrous. Did Apple announce a change to the account lockout procedure as well?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by dylan604 »

max_ wrote: post #176
dylan604 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were $10, we might have a conversation. I paid for my full version of 1Pass way back when, and upgraded all the way through to v7. It was a one time fee and used until they broke it. I never said refused to pay for it, but a monthly fee in perpetuity is just ridiculous to me.

I don't use. One pass, I use Bitwarden.

congratulations. this particular thread is about an app called 1Password.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by adam_arthur »

People should just use a sufficiently complex, memorized, password for their money/identity, and then a (mental) algorithm that allows deriving unique passwords for other services that are less important.

Only have to memorize 2-3 strings and more secure than a password manager since there's no third party in the loop.

Password Managers are a huge man-in-the-middle and liability in other regards (e.g. you don't have it present on a given device or on hand).

SSO from a single set of credentials is a much better solution. Multi-factor biometrics even better (outside of PII sensitivities)

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by cletus »

Justsignedup wrote: post #251
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

Sadly this will take off, and be tied to everything apple. From a tech perspective I would never use their tools even if they are the most convenient. But the reality is most people will see this as the only option for password management, and 1password isn't free, so for them they will see no better way out.

I would be happy if more people adopted password managers. We'd all be a lot better off if they did. And personally I don't care which tool they use to get there. But there's still too much friction in using a password manager, not all of which is the fault of the password manager (eg different password requirements, how 2FA verification is handled, the antiquated notion of password expiry, some sites split username and password onto two pages so you have to verify twice, some sites using a third field you have to fill in like surname).

So I'm not sure how many people will actually use this just because of this friction.

Branding a solution as Apple isn't a guarantee of success. If it were, we'd still have Safari for Windows.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by musictubes »

epaulson wrote: post #143

Are there APIs to get the iCloud sync into my own app? I'm all for iCloud syncing to my devices I just want a way to also get a backup in a file so if Apple decides to delete my account on a whim, I don't lose everything.

What account are you worried about Apple deleting? If they nuke your iCloud account your info is still on the device.

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Post by LilBytes »

musictubes wrote: post #262
dylan604 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud only, and they removed local storage of the vaults. If I'm somewhere that doesn't have internet connectivity, what happens then? Dislike of SaaS isn't limited to monthly fees, but the lack of features they removed to encourage SaaS adoption

How many passwords are required if you aren’t connecting to the internet? What would you be signing in to?

After the initial login all your passwords are cached locally anyway.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by rickharrison »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #206
rickharrison wrote: post #155

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1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

I don’t really understand this kind of comments that complain without any specifics. Worse how? I use two family subscriptions and a corporate one for many years and haven’t noticed any regression in functionality or UX. They release time to time minor quality of life improvements and continue supporting modern platforms. 1P7 to 1P8 upgrade went without any problems on all platforms I use. IMO this is the best passwo…

- 1Password used to support Dropbox syncing without a subscription. They allowed you to keep using the app, but they removed support for auto-filling logins from dropbox in Safari or Firefox. You could only auto-fill from vaults that you paid monthly for. Whatever, they win, I started paying monthly.

- They broke search in the past few months. I have multiple accounts with the same service (i.e. google, mercury) for personal and business. Now when searching it displays gibberish like 2FA backup codes from the notes instead of just having `${title} - ${username}` like it had for years

- They completely changed the left bar and moved around the entire UI multiple times. Credit cards used to be a simple click on the left side. Now I have to click "All Items" on the left side, then find the dropdown for "All Categories", click it, scroll down to Credit Cards and click on that.

It really comes down to the fact that it's a password manager. All it has to do is store passwords and fill them in when I need to sign in somewhere. Why has the UI fundamentally changed multiple times over the years throwing away all learned user behavior.

EDIT: There's also just the intangibles. I can't always remember specifics, but I "Feel" like 1password has been fighting me for years. I don't feel that way about many other pieces of software I use. 1Password just feels hostile in how they change/update things.

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