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Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Post by iamtheworstdev » Fri, Jun 14, 2024, 8:11 PM UTC

satisfice wrote: post #244

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #190

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> I suspect his crash was a suicide. I wouldn't count on that. Most of us wouldn't do that to the aviation world. Decreases plane availability, especially for something like a T-34 Mentor, increases insurance rates, increases FAA stance on already asinine policies, etc. occams razor - he misjudged his aerobatics.

If you hang out with pilots, I'm sure you've heard them fantasize about this as a good way to die. It doesn't happen much in real life, although there are a few incidents that have been in the news that were clearly suicides. It's not really plausible that he misjudged the altitude. His altitude for that maneuver was about 2000 feet lower than it should have been. I've also flown a T-34 (my dad owned one on Orcas Isl…

> few incidents that have been in the news that were clearly suicides.

i only know of two - one was a stolen plane by a mechanic or ground crew, not a pilot. the other was a mass murder, not a fantasized suicide.

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Post by spoonfeeder006 » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:04 AM UTC

__m wrote: post #260

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #239

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One does beg the question of where awareness comes from. I can't see that any particular physical arrangement could explain it. I mean, maybe a fundamental particle or fundamentally different form of matter could be found to be what plays the role in producing consciousness, but then what would cause that matter to have or produce awareness? Perhaps that matter has behavior we can measure, but how would it produce co…

Before you can explain the effect of interconnecting 89 billion neurons, it‘s too soon to search for pixie dust.

Well it is true that I am only supposing that explaining an observable process in and of itself cannot intrinsically explain conscious awareness

Its good to keep an open mind about stuff, and recognize that knowledge of all kinds is only tentative

All of us are finite and ignorant

Perhaps we can someday identify physical artifacts of conscious awareness, but how does that explain the root of conscious awareness? There is a difference between that and showing that conscious awareness is physically plausible, and perhaps even likely, according to experiment alone as opposed to our own personal experiences

Perhaps if we understood more about the brain, that would open our eyes to something we cannot even imagine today that would shed light on this issue

Perhaps science alone has capabilities that are more profound that we can see today, in being able to delve into such issues?

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Post by plutospassage » Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 3:21 AM UTC

What a life: 1st man to the moon, Photographer of one of the most influential photographs in the world, Air Force General, Leader of National Space Council, and CEO of General Dynamics (Fortune 100 Company)

Rest in peace: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8K9qAIy770/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWF...

Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders ID'd in WA plane crash

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Post by em-bee » Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 1:03 PM UTC

__m wrote: post #260

spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One does beg the question of where awareness comes from. I can't see that any particular physical arrangement could explain it. I mean, maybe a fundamental particle or fundamentally different form of matter could be found to be what plays the role in producing consciousness, but then what would cause that matter to have or produce awareness? Perhaps that matter has behavior we can measure, but how would it produce co…

Before you can explain the effect of interconnecting 89 billion neurons, it‘s too soon to search for pixie dust.

don't we have the same problem with gravity?

we can measure and calculate the effect, but we can't explain it. at least some attempts to explain it call for particles like gravitons that haven't been found yet. this seems to me just like looking for pixie dust to explain consciousness.