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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by agos »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #209
sandofsky wrote: post #181

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It sounds like you bought Halide 1. At the time, we had supported Halide 1 for three years of huge feature updates when we launched Halide Mark II. Rather than just drop Halide 1, we gave everyone Mark II and a year of additional updates. The alternative would have been to just release a separate app called Halide 2 and stop updating Halide 1. In that case, version 1 would probably fall apart pretty quickly due to OS…

How do you guys manage new versions? Updates have always been a PITA on iOS. There’s no way to charge for them.

they really don't. the last feature they released was support for the action button on the new iPhones, seven months ago

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by janekm »

dylan604 wrote: post #100
fassssst wrote: post #90

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You can apply a LUT to the capture. They also have a good Davinci Resolve iPad app; maybe they'll make an iPhone version in the future.

Applying a LUT is not the same thing as color grading. It's simply applying a LUT. The app that was specifically linked to is not Resolve. It is an app tapping into the new features introduced with the newest model device. If you use the linked app to acquire footage with your phone, you would still need to make that data available to the iPad version of Resolve. Again, this app does not require that at all.

The Kino introductory blog post makes quite clear that all they do is apply one of a set of LUTs that ship with their app. Personally I'd be interested in one that tried to apply colouring more "intelligently", e.g. detecting faces etc and applying appropriate settings.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by shrew »

sandofsky wrote: post #101
shrew wrote: post #88

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Same phone and same OS version down to the patch number. I’ve noticed UI hangs and stutter when changing the grades, and BNW in particular seems to cause the biggest issues. Not yet experienced a crash even if I flick between grades in quick succession. I did also find manual focus produced odd green visual artefacts in the live view as you move the focus control. With that said, it’s a nice UI, hopefully the bugs ca…

The green is focus peaking. In a future update, we plan to make that opt-in in the UI.

Ah, my lack of knowledge rather than a bug then, my bad! Thanks for explanation!

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by rlt »

augustohp wrote: post #236
zamadatix wrote: post #185

I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…

They did the same thing with Hallide. Give enough time (1-2y) and they will charge a subscription from you and lock you away from the app you've purchased.

That's a rather cynical take. Halide has been around for 7 years and they haven't gone to subscriptions.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by NikxDa »

rlt wrote: post #265
augustohp wrote: post #236

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They did the same thing with Hallide. Give enough time (1-2y) and they will charge a subscription from you and lock you away from the app you've purchased.

That's a rather cynical take. Halide has been around for 7 years and they haven't gone to subscriptions.

Halide is 2.99 a month, or 12.49 a year, and has been a subscription model since 2020. Sure, you have a one-time purchase option, but it is $70. I believe people who bought before the subscription got one year free, but things like widgets aren't supported. So unfortunately, that is likely the same fate for Kino.

This post introduces the subscriptions: https://medium.com/halide/introducing-halide-mkii-30f9f2bcea...

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by uxcolumbo »

wilg wrote: post #239
uxcolumbo wrote: post #145

It's refreshing to see you kept the website simple. No stupid scroll jacking or fancy (read distracting) transitions or scroll effects. I like supporting independent software studios like yours who try not to sell out, so bought it without hesitation, even though I don't shoot a lot of video with my iPhone. This will probably make me experiment more with video.

This is a blog post about the app, not the website. The actual website has the fun you are complaining about: https://www.shotwithkino.com/

Ha ok, didn't realize that.

The main site doesn't use scroll-jacking, i.e. scrolling feels like walking through a muddy swamp.

The other effects are subtle enough that they don't make me want to leave the site, i.e. make my laptop fan spin more violently.

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Post by sundvor »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #254
yreg wrote: post #228

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Unfortunately the freemium + subscription model usually works so much better money-wise that it's difficult to justify publishing a simple paid app with upfront cost.

I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable. I'm not a video editor so I can't speak to that but here's one example: Most calorie counting apps want ~16AUD a month from me. That's what Disney+ costs and they spend billions of dollars making content. It's 3$ more than Spotify charges and they have almost every song ever made. It doesn't have to be free, or even a one-off cost, but it ha…

Yeah, thanks for reminding me - cancelling MyFitnessPal trial - it's 130 AUD for a year, way more on a monthly basis.

There are some apps in this genre that are absolutely insane - $300 or so for an AI image analyser, which you have no way to try unless you sign up for a trial where you are committed to that amount unless you remember to cancel.

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Post by stefandesu »

selectodude wrote: post #195
zamadatix wrote: post #185

I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…

Halide has a lifetime IAP for $60 in there.

Which was an about 10x increase from the original price. Sure, it was definitely underpriced back then, but it was still a... let's say bold move.
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