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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.

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> Interesting comment.

I thoughts so, too! Even has a bit of meta in there like you pointed out.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Telling almost no one in advance was intended to protect the board from Altman's interference but put them in an indefensible situation. Alone against very rich, well connected people, without even a narrative to offer.

I think this is the big thing, they did this and were unable to publicly explain why they did it. If you are going to do something like this, you should have your ducks in a row and be ready to defend it.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employees are not replacable like that. Almost the entire company was threatening to quit. If it was possible to simply replace all of openAI, then you could just do that now, as an outside party. So the boards choice was to either bring back Sam or watch the entire company go under.

> Almost the entire company was threatening to quit. This is the part that perplexes me. A CEO being fired is not an unusual occurrence. What about Sam Altman led such a huge number of employees to threaten to follow him out the door? Was it that the board's actions were viewed as internally unjust? Was it Altman's power of persuasion? Was/is Altman viewed by the staff as bringing something irreplaceable to the table…

It’s covered in the podcast that the article is about.

Summarizing, essentially the employees were under the impression either Sama comes back OR OpenAI dissolves and they lose their job.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employees are not replacable like that. Almost the entire company was threatening to quit. If it was possible to simply replace all of openAI, then you could just do that now, as an outside party. So the boards choice was to either bring back Sam or watch the entire company go under.

> Almost the entire company was threatening to quit. This is the part that perplexes me. A CEO being fired is not an unusual occurrence. What about Sam Altman led such a huge number of employees to threaten to follow him out the door? Was it that the board's actions were viewed as internally unjust? Was it Altman's power of persuasion? Was/is Altman viewed by the staff as bringing something irreplaceable to the table…

> What about Sam Altman led such a huge number of employees to threaten to follow him out the door?

My understanding is that a fair amount of it was essentially peer pressure. If you're an employee whose CEO has just been fired for unclear reasons, and someone hands you a chain letter saying "restate him or everyone will quit" and you're told everyone's signing that letter and there's already someone who promised to hire everyone who quits into their current role at equal pay, would you sign it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you realize there's no way to convince them that they are wrong? But it's a matter of survival of the entire universe?

If you are a CEO, and you are unable to convince your board that you are correct, then the proper thing to do is resign, for you have failed to do your job. The main job of a CEO is to be leader, and part of the job of a leader is to sell people your vision. And if you can't sell the vision to the people who cut your paycheck, well, either you aren't good at your job, or the people in that position are incompatible w…

This is all just business, right? If you're holding the nut flush and you think the board's got rags, you play it out. Whatever reasons the board had to be done with Altman, they did not have the cards, and he did: the team, as I understand it, believed itself to be dependent on Altman (or at least, on not-the-board) for their stakes to be worth anything.

I see how it'd be really dicey for a CEO to pitch a fit on the way out under ordinary circumstances. But also, if you fire your CEO, he may very well go stand up a terrifying competitor, which is basically what happened here, right?

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I think there is a very good chance this is true, but it also paints the picture of the board being incompetent and incapable of confrontation. They could have filed formal complaints, mandated increased scrutiny, handed off Sam's responsibilities to other people, or threatened legal action. Instead, they attempted a secret coup, which of course makes Sam look like the underdog

I believe the standard advice for dealing with abusive people in personal relationships is to GTFO. Because it's generally unrealistic to think they can be fixed.

Does the same reasoning not apply to supposed-to-be-trusting business relationships?

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…

You had the answer there before you dismissed it -- the board agreed to bring Sam Altman back before resigning because of massive pressure campaign that involved 90%+ of employees threatening to resign, and Microsoft (which has OpenAI's IP rights) offering to hire them all immediately. This included the company's key leadership. The organization was unraveling overnight. This was far past the tipping point of "a few…

I answered that scenario though. I'm fine, as a board, letting employees who want to hold the company hostage over a CEO that the board fired walk.

The board's major mistake was not communicating why he was let go.

My guess is that the likely reason why employees threatened to go was that they felt Altman had the best chances of making the for-profit arm's shares skyrocket. As a non-profit company's board, I'd be fine letting those people walk out the front door along with the CEO that was just fired.

It is my understanding that the key personnel who developed the actual technology were not part of the group threatening to leave. It was mainly the group in the for-profit arm that Altman had trojan-horsed into the company structure.

> This included the company's key leadership.

I'm not aware of the machine learning researchers responsible for the core technology threatening to leave. Who were they?

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