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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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I have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.

Have you seen any Banksy? Do you consider his work graffiti? Most of his work is graffiti’d onto public property without permission. https://www.artsy.net/artist/banksy

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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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My hart jumped when I initially thought that they had implemented an idea that I had once. Turns out MetaWindow is not an augmented reality display in the train's window, where one can read information on the scenery that one passes through while traveling. What is that city in the distance? When was that church built? How many cows are in that meadow? Stuff one has to know.

Just sit at home and stare at a video of the scenery at that point.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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As someone with an art degree (with no great admiration for street art per sé) I have to ask one question: Could you imagine that one person's "defaced" is another person's "finally some colors"? The destruction of property, trespassing etc. is obviously on the wrong side of the law, but on purely aesthetical terms this could be argued either way making it for that narrow category a subjective thing. Proponents of gr…

That's easy: Was the graffiti made with approval of the owner of the building? Does it fit general aesthetics of the city? Yes and yes - it's finally some colors. Otherwise it's a vandalism. If it's a public building - it's vandalism, unless it was decided by all people living there. > As an art person I really see truly good graffiti, yet I have to notice that heavily graffitied parts of my city are tourist magnets…

Many cities here also have walls dedicated for graffiti and such to give street artists some space and bring some color. Some small infra-related buildings also have street art done on commission and they look great! But shitty tags and graffitis still exist and my impression has always been that the maker probably wasn't thinking about art or anything deeper for that matter...

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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My hart jumped when I initially thought that they had implemented an idea that I had once. Turns out MetaWindow is not an augmented reality display in the train's window, where one can read information on the scenery that one passes through while traveling. What is that city in the distance? When was that church built? How many cows are in that meadow? Stuff one has to know.

I don't think this would make looking out of (or at) the window as enjoyable as with a normal transparent window.

Unless you mean that there would still be a normal window, too?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Have you seen any Banksy? Do you consider his work graffiti? Most of his work is graffiti’d onto public property without permission. https://www.artsy.net/artist/banksy

Of course it’s graffiti and it’s still imposing on others against their will, regardless of whether it’s peak narcissist Banksy or someone else. Is very much about transgression and imposition and sadistic domination for personalities like Banksy and graffiti artists in general; it’s precisely why they put their “art” in other people’s things against their will. So if I graffiti your car because I believe it improves…

In what kind of city do graffiti happen on cars and households? mostly it's on public property

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

DB is also deploying robot dogs against graffiti painters: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40388114

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

It's interesting to read this conversation about graffiti happening on a hacker forum, yet it seems stuck in a polarised stand-off around aesthetics and ownership rights.

That's a shame, because the root issues are in information warfare, the battle to control information spaces.

To the extent The Internet is still considered a "public space";

Is spamming and trolling not a form of digital graffiti?

Is the creation of products and apps that have a negative impact on society not a "narcissistic imposition"?

Is the appropriation of the commons or other private property to spread messages (advertising or graffiti) not the same in the digital realm?

And those who "clean up" graffiti... do we not call then "censors" or "like down/up-voting" when we wish to amplify or make other people's communications in the world disappear because we disagree with them?

At the end of the day we are all still animals shouting to be heard the loudest in our jungle. Online or offline we're party to the same personality traits of quiet orderliness or disorganised expression. What happens in cyberspace hardly seems different from what happens IRL with spray-paint.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

The vast majority has no aesthetic value to 99% of people and certainly not to the owner of the property.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Are graffiti artists not part of the public? What makes a billboard, for example, more legitimate than graffiti?

Planning permission.

Permission is not remotely the same as legitimacy.
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