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The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by Bjartr »

smitty1110 wrote: post #230
Bjartr wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

And it's still a joke. Spend $200 less and get and Osmose[1] and have a keyboard that you can actually use, a better synth engine, and something that is actually used for music production. They even off free shipping. Portability is overrated when your keyboard tech is stuck in the early 90's, without velocity sensitivity let alone aftertouch and MPE. 1: https://www.expressivee.com/2-osmose

The original OP-1 was $600 less than that when I got it for noodling around with music during my commute to work. So yes, if you choose to ignore some criteria, there's plenty of options.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by Bjartr »

dTal wrote: post #255
Bjartr wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

A Synthstrom Deluge arguably ticks those boxes, except perhaps for the "piano layout" (not that I think that makes much difference when you can't play either device like an actual piano, and at least the Deluge has a luscious isomorphic keyboard) and the large screen (though the screen isn't really the primary interface on the Deluge, taking a more supporting role of dynamic visual feedback to the real interface, whi…

The Deluge was definitely a close runner up. Ultimately the OP-1 won me over on being smaller and having an integrated battery.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by makeitdouble »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #245
makeitdouble wrote: post #241

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"Giving order to one's assistant" is a class of interaction that some people desperately want, and I expect we'll see these kind of devices being made until it works, even if it's in two decades from now. Fundamentally it's the model of the boss giving orders to its secretary, and people dream of it as some pinnacle of evolution (perhaps it is, I don't have a paid secretary to assess the point). That's actually prett…

Yes it’s a very hierarchical way of thinking. I’d much rather imagine a world with more collaboration between peers than every person having a servant, but it seems those that run tech companies prefer the latter.

Totally agree. I also think that there might be a fundamental divide with people in our line of work (programming), as by definition we've decided to learn how machines talk and think, to address them in their language and understand what they're telling us.

Someone choosing this career path expecting to throw around vague orders and have them resolved exactly as they expected has probably already quit the first week on the job.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by hnzix »

smitty1110 wrote: post #230
Bjartr wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.

And it's still a joke. Spend $200 less and get and Osmose[1] and have a keyboard that you can actually use, a better synth engine, and something that is actually used for music production. They even off free shipping. Portability is overrated when your keyboard tech is stuck in the early 90's, without velocity sensitivity let alone aftertouch and MPE. 1: https://www.expressivee.com/2-osmose

The OP1-F has velocity sensitivity now.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by wkat4242 »

nkozyra wrote: post #208
starky wrote: post #194

I saw this news and my reaction was, "Of course it is, doing anything else would be stupid." But that on its own doesn't mean it could just be a phone app if the hardware adds something useful to the way the user interacts with it. For example, old Sony mirrorless cameras just ran Android under the hood but the specific hardware is what made those products, not the OS. As a hardware person, both the Rabbit R1 and the…

> It feels like we need to wait for the underlying technology to advance before we can get to the next set of interesting products. Probably. I think we've hit a plateau with user interfaces for most connected gear. Sticking a physical scroll button on what is essentially a phone buys me nothing but annoyance. Phones just kind of do what we want and have an acceptable enough interface that the alternatives get in our…

> Sticking a physical scroll button on what is essentially a phone buys me nothing but annoyance.

Strange thing is, it's actually a touchscreen. But the only thing that they let you use it for is the input keyboard. Saw this in a review on YouTube, I don't have one

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by wkat4242 »

jayd16 wrote: post #58
tasuki wrote: post #56

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And the main question remains unanswered: why do they sell a whole device rather than an app?

The eye catching hardware is what made this project interesting. Would we be talking about this at all if it was just an app?

Yeah it's just marketing. If it becomes a success they will sell their service as an app for sure.

It's just much easier to stand out with a beautiful hardware design than the 200th AI app released this month. And you can hardly buy anything from teenage engineering at this price point ;) Except the playdate which is much cooler.

But yeah it should have been an app.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by dorkwood »

jpgvm wrote: post #252

My first instinct is to say "of course" my second instinct is to ask "who cares?". Is it relevant whatsoever? Is the product relevant whatsoever? The answer to both seems categorically no at this point. I really don't understand why this device is getting attention while hundreds of hardware products launched each year go mostly unnoticed. What am I missing here?

It's got AI in it.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by mrlkts »

_heimdall wrote: post #250
dmsayer wrote: post #239

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what are you implying here? that folding phones are simply a money thing, and have no actual value?

I'm not sure if I'd get behind that take, but folding screen phones are horribly impractical if you are even a little hard on your phone. The screens and hinges are fragile, I've yet to see one that feels like it'd last more than a year at least for me. I actually have a first gen Surface Duo and it's held up, though its been relegated to the second device role since it stopped getting updates. Anything with an actua…

I used to own a Fold 4 and it's a wonderful device, I really loved it (mostly the multitasking, stylus support, small outer screen for one-handed use). Unfortunately, the design is truly fragile and I sold mine after I got it back from the repair shop for the second time (and got a boring iPhone). I truly hope newer generations will be better and I can purchase one that will last at least 3-4 years.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by kataklasm »

dilyevsky wrote: post #217
nbzso wrote: post #35

Too much VC money into a gazillion startups without proper management. What can go wrong? This is the result of tech cultism and lack of proper production standards. Design Thinking is like some form of forbidden knowledge today. So much “disruption” with no clear product use case. AI is the new dotcom boom. 190 percent hype. 10 percent actual implementation. The startups have expectation to capitalize on testing wit…

> We need Skunk Works team quality You mean the kind where plane literally leaks fuel mid flight? I think they're already there

Maybe you should read about that again, because you obviously don't know what you're talking about ;-)

The A-12/SR-71 was leaking fuel while it was sitting on the apron/ramp, because due to the insane heating that occurs at Mach 3 you have to compensate the heat contraction of your tanks and everything else. So while they do leak on the ground, as soon as they start getting anywhere close to operating speed and the structure thus heats up, everything seals shut. No leaking midflight. The Skunk Works director Ben Rich (who took over after the original director Kelly Johnson stepped down) wrote a book called "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed", it's a good read.

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