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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by Rinzler89 »

op00to wrote: post #208
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #160

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Oh gosh if I could use a series of iPad apps to run a Linux system on an iPad I’d be so happy. I mean I could get an android tablet but I don’t really like android. I’m fine with iOS and I love Linux, so sticking those two together would be really nice. Actually I’d love to run a Linux VM on my iPhone too!

What’s the benefit to you of a VM on your iPhone when you can simply ssh to a vm somewhere else? Not saying there isn’t a benefit, but curious about what you want to do. Other than people who are in the middle of nowhere, which at that point I’d recommend a raspberry pi and a battery bank or a laptop or something. I use the pi and battery for running various ham radio stuff while out in a park or whatever and connect…

>iPhone when you can simply ssh to a vm somewhere else?

Like not having reliable internet access everywhere. In a lot of areas mobile internet is spotty. Or you're in roaming so it's insanely expensive.

Plus we already have these powerful devices in out pocket, more powerful than PC's were 10 years ago, sitting idly doing nothing most of the time, why not put them to use when in need instead of paying for some extra remote cloud compute on top of that.

Also, VMs don't just mean Linux for web development, it could be a VM for retro gaming or running things in VM for security sandboxing etc. That would be really neat to always have with me instead of having to ssh all the time.

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Post by oefrha »

d0mine wrote: post #168
BillyTheKing wrote: post #108

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totally agree - the iPad Pro could be a great second coding/programming tool - I'd love to justify buying myself one, but.. I just don't see a use-case if I can't work on it. I don't design stuff, don't really feel like I need a separate browsing device either

iPad (any model) with keyboard-cover can be used as a great portable ssh/mosh terminal (eg with Termius app). I work in Emacs--most functionality is available via terminal.

The keyboard cover keyboard is shit though, I hate every second with it. Plus no escape etc.

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Post by rickdeckard »

xattt wrote: post #221
rickdeckard wrote: post #210

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As long as the majority of the target group keeps buying MacBooks AND iPads, I doubt that Apple has an incentive to cannibalize its own product line. They are well-aware of this, visible from the fact that they never bothered to add a touch panel or Pen-support to any MacBook, or make the Watch a standalone device: Customers wanting this either buy the devices individually anyway, or wouldn't be willing to hand over…

I see the Watch the same as a late 90s Palm device. You can’t make it standalone, because it depends on a larger device for configuration. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that it be made available for Android users as well.

Yes, also for Android users.

> I see the Watch the same as a late 90s Palm device.

Yes, but the LTE-variant is more along the lines of a Palm Treo.

Apple could probably make it link to a MacBook with very little effort, and to all other platforms with just a little more.

It's just a direction not worth for Apple to explore, because in their view those are just customers who have "not yet bought an iPhone", so why try to win them with the Watch if it just prolongs their journey to the iPhone

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Post by sakjur »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #245
dainiusse wrote: post #123

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Yep, I've got one and don't use too much. Too big for scrolling, too limited (software) for work. But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose

> But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose Felt the goal was to overtake Mac during the 2015-2019 era, all the real engineering focus was on iPad, the Macs were underpowered and not really fit for purpose. Why would Apple choose a platform where they don't get 30% of every Creative Cloud sub when they could have had that. Only reason they backtracked was because Mac sales didn't fall…

Wasn’t that the period when Apple were positioning themselves to get the Macs away from Intel? I’m not sure the goal was to let the iPad overtake as much as it was to get its processors ready to take over from Intel.

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Post by Terretta »

sharpshadow wrote: post #144

Does this mean we finally get Adblock on iOS devices?

1Blocker is excellent. So is AdGuard Pro. So is NextDNS profile for iOS.

And so is Kagi Orion+ browser with Firefox and Chrome extensions like uBlock Origin.

Don't drink the "you can'd do that on iPad" koolaid without asking someone unbiased quietly using these things already.

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Post by Kbelicius »

littlestymaar wrote: post #34
threeseed wrote: post #7

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The distinction between both OS and app stores is entirely arbitrary as well, and the EC is just not buying the argument that this is a different product and should be treated differently. Edit: looks like the EU didn't even bother challenging the arbitrary distinction between both OS, since the iPad crosses the threshold for business users by itself, it's submitted to DMA on its own.

> looks like the EU didn't even bother challenging the arbitrary distinction between both OS, since the iPad crosses the threshold for business users by itself, it's submitted to DMA on its own.

While it does pass the threshold for business user the threshold, I think, is end users and business users. But that doesn't matter at all since the EU commission can declare a service as a gatekeeper, after an investigation, even if it had both business and end users bellow the threshold.

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Post by Terretta »

IH0kN3m wrote: post #237
chucke1992 wrote: post #223

Personally I am surprised that IPad has its own OS. I thought it uses the same one as iPhone.

It is mostly just an iOS under the hood. Apple separated the iOS and iPadOS, saying that this way they can develop for it separate exclusive features. While we have things like multitasking and stage manager, mostly it’s been an excuse to bring iOS features to the iPadOS with a delay for a year.

> mostly it’s been an excuse to bring iOS features to the iPadOS with a delay for a year

On the contrary, mostly the iPad and iPad OS was the testbed for VisionOS UI management for years, ensuring that iPad apps (and app devs) had to implement support for arbitrary window shapes and layering, using the same affordances (more or less) as VisionOS, unlike iPhone apps that are stuck in portrait or landscape.

There's a lot of truth to AVP is an iPad strapped to your face, and if you have worked on iPad as professional daily driver for 5+ years and now own an AVP, you can remember aspects of VisionPro getting tested in the field over this time period.

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Post by saintfire »

outofpaper wrote: post #119
mrighele wrote: post #98

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I disagree. First of all I expect competing stores to ask a smaller cut than what currently Apple asks (and Apple itself may lower it), so it may very well be the case even with a middleman the amount "lost" by the developer will be lower. Not a given though, I guess we will see. Secondly, the Android ecosystem seems to be doing well even with the situation you describe. There are not that many competing stores (most…

I agree with you on most counts save for the piracy. It's highly dependent on market segment, with less affluent sectors especially with youth you'll find very high privacy rates. I look forward to the day an fdroid like platform is available on Apple phones and tablets.

I'd contend that profiteering off of youth is more questionably moral than piracy among youth.

I pirated virtually everything I consumed as a kid/teen and now that I have money I pay for it. The companies I pirated off of lost nothing because I had no means to purchase it anyways.

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Post by probably_wrong »

op00to wrote: post #208
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh gosh if I could use a series of iPad apps to run a Linux system on an iPad I’d be so happy. I mean I could get an android tablet but I don’t really like android. I’m fine with iOS and I love Linux, so sticking those two together would be really nice. Actually I’d love to run a Linux VM on my iPhone too!

What’s the benefit to you of a VM on your iPhone when you can simply ssh to a vm somewhere else? Not saying there isn’t a benefit, but curious about what you want to do. Other than people who are in the middle of nowhere, which at that point I’d recommend a raspberry pi and a battery bank or a laptop or something. I use the pi and battery for running various ham radio stuff while out in a park or whatever and connect…

I have some benefits in mind.

First, in the major European city where I live mobile internet is not super reliable and flat data packs are relatively expensive - I have one because I develop a lot on trains, but most of my friends don't.

Second: it's a waste of hardware and money. If I can already run the thing on my device, renting twice as much hardware for the same result is hard to justify.

And finally, it keeps my data under my power. Some of the work I do has strict requirements on what I can do with the data, and "upload it to a cheap cloud provider" is not on that list.

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Post by rickdeckard »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #245
dainiusse wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I've got one and don't use too much. Too big for scrolling, too limited (software) for work. But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose

> But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose Felt the goal was to overtake Mac during the 2015-2019 era, all the real engineering focus was on iPad, the Macs were underpowered and not really fit for purpose. Why would Apple choose a platform where they don't get 30% of every Creative Cloud sub when they could have had that. Only reason they backtracked was because Mac sales didn't fall…

I believe it's simply more lucrative to keep selling both devices to the same target group, than try to solve the users' problem with a single device.

Everything in Apple is designed to silo off the two product groups.

An "iPad with MacOS" would just shift revenue from the MacOS division to the iPad division, losing a MacOS customer and probably NOT gaining a iPad customer (as he would have purchased an iPad anyway).

Just as much as developing an MacBook convertible is not an issue of user experience but an issue of unnecessary cannibalization of iPad sales...

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