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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

ZeWaka wrote: post #250
hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #243

Whatever. I find new stuff all of the time. Anything but show tunes, most country, and recent pop music is fair game. Tidal has good shit whereas Spotify will randomly reach into your account to delete playlists or remove content without warning. Also, the Spotify app no longer controls volume across devices uniformly, doesn't work at all on Apple TV, and is generally getting buggier and crappier with popups and movi…

>the Spotify app no longer controls volume across devices uniformly I actually really enjoy this feature myself - all my devices need to be at different audio levels to not blow out the speakers, so having per-device (or virtual device via Spotify Connect) control is great.

I'm saying it worked but now it doesn't work as well as it did. I don't use the Everywhere group. The Marantz app (or the iPhone app) is absolute shit because it starts at some random volume and goes up or down huge amounts. Instead, I'll use the Tidal app because that at least doesn't fuck with the volume or end up overdriving my mains and 5 kW sub.

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Post by mrieck »

I must be an outlier - I'm in my 40s and haven't listened to former favorites like Radiohead forever.

Darkwave, Phonk, Witchhouse, Glitch Hop, KPop, and a lot of electronic music that crosses genres are what I listen to now.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by anukin »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

Which swing tracks do you recommend to a noob who just got introduced to the swing music and dance?

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Post by prepend »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I’d guess it’s just because the algorithm is not smart enough and is just looking at the category as a whole and then playing the most played. So Glenn Miller and Count Basie are in the same category, but more Spotify people who listen to that category listen to Glenn Miller.

Maybe one day, they’ll get smaller clusters and lump you in with other listeners who favor black musicians within that category.

This is my problem with these services in that they are very generic and smooth out the outliers. So it’s good for pleasing the 80%, but people with specific tastes are out of luck. Big time regression to the mean.

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Post by esafak »

kyllo wrote: post #56

When I lived in South Korea, one of the things that struck me was how much "flatter" the generations there were in terms of pop culture and music taste and awareness, compared to the US. I worked in an office with a bunch of suit-and-tie businessmen who were mostly in their 40s to 60s, and if you were to ask them about any current K-pop group, they all knew their hit songs.

That's sad. That means they had no diversity in their music.

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Post by criley2 »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #246
Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white. I presume you don't really mean that, so what distinguishes the two musical styles, black swing vs white swing? Serious question.

>I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white

You may not realize this, but in the 1930-1950 era being described in America, there was something called "Segregation" where black people were considered legally inferior to white people. As such, there was a very hard line between "black" and "white", a line that was aggressively enforced by every level of society from lawmaking, policing and justice, to radio and TV access, to education, to neighborhoods, and frankly everything else.

With that context, I think it's very easy to see how there can be "black swing" and "white swing" -- it was in a society that forcibly separated everything into "black X" and "white X".

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by esafak »

I listen to a lot of music, and thanks to Spotify, regularly find new material across a decent range of genres.

But at the back of mind, I hear the echoes of Steven Pinker's words: "music is auditory cheesecake". Capable only of conveying emotions, unless lyrics are involved.

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Post by ddfs123 »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #246
Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white. I presume you don't really mean that, so what distinguishes the two musical styles, black swing vs white swing? Serious question.

Back in those period it's still very distinct / segregated black vs white culture.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by monksy »

jdminhbg wrote: post #172
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, the whole "I want to watch the concert through my phone" thing I don't get at all. If you just want to watch it on your phone, why not just stay home and watch a professionally-produced concert video? Are they actually recording it for later (and are actually going to watch their low-quality recording later), or do they simply need to frame everything they experience inside a phone bezel?

> Are they actually recording it for later (and are actually going to watch their low-quality recording later) What's wild is how much the "low-quality recording" on a modern smartphone looks and sounds way better than bootlegs I listened to (or, god forbid, watched) in the 90s. I don't film entire concerts but I will usually try to get a nice clip from one of my favorite songs. It's fun to revisit. I'd love it if I…

Thank you for pointing this out. Everytime I bring up the "phone free" thing, everyone keeps jumping on and saying "well i don't like people filming". The situation that you mentioned is exactly how I do that and what I've seen.

The exception to this is extremely mainstream performances that attract people, where it may be the one big thing they do in the year or the next.

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